INSERT INTO `Northern_forum_posts` (`POST_ID`, `AUTHOR`, `ENABLE_SIG`, `ENABLE_EMO`, `IP_ADDR`, `POST_DATE`, `POST_ICON`, `POST`, `AUTHOR_TYPE`, `QUEUED`, `TOPIC_ID`, `FORUM_ID`, `ATTACH_ID`, `ATTACH_HITS`, `ATTACH_TYPE`) VALUES (33572, '114-1042432543', 1, 1, '24.237.11.221', 1064468316, 0, 'You can find all the answers to your questions on Colorado K5.
coloradok5', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33573, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.224.147', 1064472075, 0, 'Does it have that sticker in the glovebox? Lots of Chevs had a plastic coated sticker that was more or less permanently stuck in the glovebox. I don't know if that'll tell you 350 or 305 or not.. I believe it would though.

The engine code is the 8th digit VIN..

L/M = 350 (cali or reg smogged, I don't know which is which)
H = 305', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33570, '109-1063936897', 1, 1, '12.12.197.174', 1064683181, 0, 'so... should I just try to run 33's without lift. My only concern would be dragging that 14 bolt axle on stuff.', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33571, '103-1065402889', 1, 1, '24.237.44.177', 1065494141, 0, 'Yes my truck has a current i.m.I plan to change the breather assembly soon but its a good idea to keep all of your old stuff.
I have a 86 blazer in Homer for parts,I dont think Ill be keeping any of the moter so I may be able to come up with parts as my Homer trips permit.I also have a 75 jimmy that I will eventually get done working on.I have a lot of chevy parts basicly.
Gozong', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33568, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1064517897, 0, 'HAHAHA......bungholeo....LOL....Got Sawzaw....', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33569, '78-1064316080', 1, 1, '24.237.58.68', 1064545246, 0, 'Matt if you wanna sqeeze a couple more ponies outta the 305 I've got a cam you might wanna try out. lemme know its yours $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33564, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.129.210', 1065504668, 0, 'Don't bother with the 305. It is not a good motor to build. Just something about the numbers that make it inefficient. Swapping in a 350 is perfectly legal. Install some 1.94 heads, Edelbrock Performer intake, and shorty headers and you will be good to go.', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33565, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.67', 1064468450, 0, 'What year? Prolly has 10 bolts front and rear. Kinda iffy. Maybe a 208 t-case if it has a deep low range. Iffy. If it has a sm465 that would be good. Prolly either a 305 or 350. Look under the hood at the sticker for a starting point. AlaskaXJ', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33566, '109-1063936897', 1, 1, '12.12.197.231', 1064473185, 0, 'okay it has a 305 then. I am already lined out on my axles! will pick them up tommorow. you guys are cool on this forum! This is kick ass, I cant belive it took me this long to find this site. Any problems with the 305? too weak or what?', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33567, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1064506698, 0, 'How does a 4" lift clear 42s?? 74K5 just did a 4" lift and his 35 MTRs rub a bit. I still think that the 37" Bogger need to go on it though.... What a waste just sitting in the corner in the garage.... might have to lift the ZJ a little bit more $\':34:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33563, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.115.106', 1064727307, 0, 'Without some sort of suspension modification, you will only have about an 1 of up travel. Bottom line, you will need a lift kit with old body style Chevy's. The negative arch front springs suck ass. Install a 4" kit, cut the fenders and run 36s. Check your gear ratio as well, if you have 3.07s, scrap the lift for now, and save up for gears.', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33562, '78-1064316080', 1, 1, '24.237.58.68', 1064545929, 0, '

Quote (Maddening @ Sep. 25 2003,00:35)

There's no replacement like displacement.

But.. having said that, the 305 isn't too bad, it can be remedied with add-ons. Any cam/intake/heads/headers/etc that will fit a 350 will fit yours, it's all SBC. The differences in the 305 is the crank and the pistons.

Most people just swap in a 350 when it comes time for more performance though, there's nothing like getting the extra 45 CID you don't have in a direct swap, 350s are plentiful..

Your engine is probably stout enough to get the job done though.

are there any stroker cranks for 305's?, w/ a 350 you get 383 from a 400 crank w/ the journals cut to allign w/ 4" bores instead of 4 1/8".. so there should be the same leeway to stroke some cubes in a 305 cause the block height should be the same as a 350, if noone makes stroker kits you can always mangle a crank to work', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33559, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.224.147', 1064469100, 0, 'Colorado K5 site has a great axle ID site.. I used it when I was trying to ID the 10 bolt rear in my Elky before I bought it 3 years ago or so.

http://www.coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33560, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.224.147', 1064475333, 0, 'There's no replacement like displacement.

But.. having said that, the 305 isn't too bad, it can be remedied with add-ons. Any cam/intake/heads/headers/etc that will fit a 350 will fit yours, it's all SBC. The differences in the 305 is the crank and the pistons.

Most people just swap in a 350 when it comes time for more performance though, there's nothing like getting the extra 45 CID you don't have in a direct swap, 350s are plentiful..

Your engine is probably stout enough to get the job done though.', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33561, '55-1050948090', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1064536283, 0, 'cough cough... BLOW ME!!!!!', 1, 0, 2355, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51500, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '66.223.142.178', 1079439710, 0, '

Quote (Yourkidding @ Mar. 15 2004,23:09)

Quote (Overlord @ Mar. 15 2004,13:26)

Quote (95 ZJ @ Mar. 12 2004,18:49)

Anybody own a Ruger Mini 30? Or have any input from firing one?

I don't own one, but shot one a few times. They're much nicer than my SKS as they don't jam as much.

Wonder how an SKS with a 50 round magazine would do against a bear? Not as much punch as a bigger rifle, but I bet I could sling out a few rounds before he's on me. $\':34:\'$

You could put an entire magazine from a min 30 or an SKS intio a charging brownie and he would only get madder. Sure he might die later that day from blood loss. While your carcass was being feasted on by fox and raven.

Rounds designed for wounding humans will not penetrate far enough into a bear to do any sort of immediate damage. IF you got lucky enouhg to put one through an eyesocket then it might be different.

I'm not just trying to be arguemenative here, I'm completely serious. It takes mass and velocity to punch into a bear. And stabilization enough so that the bullet won't tumble on impact. This round doesn't do it.

I don't know about the study that was mentioned earlier, but there was a case up here about 10-15 years ago. The outdoor editor at the dailoy news was along on a "bad bear removal operation" that the NPS or the state or one of the other "offical" groups was undertaking (I don't remember exactly which organization it was anymore). As he recounted it afterwards in the newspaper, the bear actually came into their camp at night. It was a blastfest with every one there unloading at it as it tore into things. The 44 mag and the shotgun came into play first, followed by the rifles. The next morning they carefully examined the bullet damage as they skinned the bear. The 44 was emptied into the animal. The shotgun hit him multiple times. IIRC the 44 just barely penetrated into the outer miscle layers after having to buck through the mud encrusted fur. Don't think about shooting ballistic geletin. It ain't the same. The shot gun did better but just barely, causing no mortal wounds. Lots of initial energy, but too much frontal area for decent penetration. The animal was dropped by the 338 mag (sokid IIRC) which punched through shoulder blade and into the heart/lung area a couple of times.

A brown bear takes a lot of killing. The muscle cells metabolize the oxygen from the blood very efficiently. If it is pumping adrenalin and is worked up, it can FIGHT for between 1 to 3 minutes with no blood flow at all coming from the heart. Doesn't mean it will, but it has the ability to.

In the first Alaska Bear Tales book, there is a story recounted about a hunter in Kodiak who hit a charging bear at point blank range with a 300 mag, right before it got him down. The bullet hit the skull at what must have been a perfectly perpendicular angle, because when it SHATTERED WITHOUT PENETRATING, he would up with fragments lodged in his own arm! The bear kept mauling him until his partner shot it off of him.

Lots of Alaskan bear have been taken with 30.06 and such. But if you are carrying against the off chance that you life might depend on a single shot or two at the most. Don't think that 30.06 is "a lot of gun" And save the mini 30 for rabbits, coyotes and fox.

The NPS has some cut down 375 H&Hs out at Katmi for bear guns. Or at least they used to. But they keep them locked up in a gun safe, not in the hands of the rangers.

Have you heard the one about why you should cut the sights off af a .44 that is carried in bear country? It's so that when the bear takes it away from you and shoves it up your ass it doesn't hurt so much. ;)

Maybe bringing my .338 out wouldn't be such a bad idea after all. 250 grain should be enough, right? Have a whole box I loaded 10 years ago.', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51499, '83-1058696111', 1, 1, '209.193.41.171', 1079438771, 0, 'They are not reverse rotation, they rotate the same way that a low pinion rotates. The cut on the gears is the opposite of a low pinion differential, but they rotate the same direction. It is more properly called an amboid gear set, altough HP (high pinion) or reverse cut are accurate but not reverse rotation. They are cut different so that they drive on the stronger side of the ring gear tooth, most front differentials use gears that were designed for rear axles and they drive on coast side of the tooth. The reverse cut gears were designed as front axle differentials and to have the pinion above the centerline for better driveline angles.

Gus', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51498, '83-1058696111', 1, 1, '209.193.41.171', 1079437345, 0, 'We go out hunting for 3 weeks or more every moose season here's a pic from last year.

Gus', 1, 0, 3645, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51497, '114-1054070349', 1, 1, '12.17.142.41', 1079437069, 0, 'Just like any culture you have bad eggs and good eggs. and it seems plausible that natives just havent adjusted to the vices in our culture. But that doesnt mean we should give them special treatment just becuase of their racial heritage.I mean they got a whole new hospital just to themselves. And they dont have to pay for any medical costs.While i'm sure this helps out a great many people.I dont think its really necesary. And they have the native corporations. Its a good idea, setting up trust fund like bussiness. that natives can "bank" on.but alot of them abuse it.why should they do anything? theres no motivation for entering the workforce.its no wonder alot of natives drink. And before somebody goes on about the whiteman's firewater. $\':35:\'$ Let me add that before alaska was taken over. people had very little protection against the elements.meaning you could freeze to death. or starve in winter.and the only source of food was subsistance living, while that still goes on today. there was no fishing boats back than or hunting rifles.They had no indoor heating.and no snowmachines, 4wheelers , or 4x4's.

thats just my .02\n\n

', 1, 0, 3606, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51496, '78-1077324422', 1, 1, '66.58.138.150', 1079433281, 0, 'Similiar thing happened once on my 98 Ranger; OD light flashing, Speedo and tach not working (Guage needle were just bouncing up and down), and the transmission was making extremely hard shifts into first and second gears (automatic trans) that would really throw the truck back and forth.

After I pressed all the fuses and relays into place that are in the power distrubution box under the hood, everything was fine. No problems since. Most likely something in there just came loose.

I like to check out the cheapest things first.', 1, 0, 3700, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51494, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079429901, 0, 'Theres your pratice area!!!!!!!!!!! $\':15:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51495, '65-1077096606', 1, 1, '24.237.44.32', 1079430122, 0, 'I do carry a 44mag Ruger Redhawk for bear protection, but mostly because I CAN carry it at ALL TIMES. If I'm standing in my fishing hole, I'm busy with my rod and tackle, and I'm not holding a bolt action rifle or a shotgun, or whatever. But I AM wearing my bandolier holster with my 44, right on my chest! It's double action, so I don't have to fumble with cocking it when my fingers are trembling, and it's loaded with Super hard cast Wide Meplat 328gr bullets clocked at about 1300 fps. 5 for him, ONE FOR ME! $\':15:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51493, '114-1054070349', 1, 1, '12.17.142.41', 1079429021, 0, 'damn dawg! where i can a pick up some of those neon lights? $\':16:\'$ $\':44:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3639, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51490, '103-1061886867', 1, 1, '209.112.223.202', 1079425620, 0, 'are you sure thats the chepest you can get...i saw the 4 inchers for 100...the 5.5 inchers for like 160 and the others for like 200 at napa in kenai and soldotna', 1, 0, 3662, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51491, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.71', 1079427331, 0, 'Remeber guys unit 13 open all year for browns', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51492, '115-1079421239', 1, 1, '152.121.33.65', 1079428035, 0, 'i guess it's time to do that newbie check in thing. my name is al and i'm moving to anchorage after running around kodiak for about 14-15 years. big career change, 20 years of military life in the coast guard. wife moved over last year, got her a house and me a garage off old seward. i'm looking forward to running my slightly modified 95 sahara with the folks on the main land. been looking through a lot of the threads with eraven for quite a while and finally decided to register. i'm pretty sure i'll see some of you at this years meet and greet. both eraven and i will be over for a couple of weeks in april, maybe we can meet some of you for a cold one. see yall later.

al', 1, 0, 1, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51487, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.71', 1079423582, 0, 'i am just guessin that it is a ford and the speed senseor on the rear axel is out and need replacing but hopfuly deepmud will see this one he is my tranny guy $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3700, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51488, '89-1061157799', 1, 1, '12.21.209.155', 1079424596, 0, '

Quote (Overlord @ Mar. 15 2004,13:26)

Quote (95 ZJ @ Mar. 12 2004,18:49)

Anybody own a Ruger Mini 30? Or have any input from firing one?

Quote (Krylon @ Mar. 11 2004,11:42)

Quote (frosty @ Mar. 11 2004,10:49)

That is some good info. Why is it that the sutton area is so highly watched?

supposedly the 4x trail runs through private property. one of the two legs

A friend of mine lives on 160 acres up there and her property gets trespassed on by 4x4s every year.', 1, 0, 3619, 11, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51483, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.223.136.249', 1079421526, 0, 'Who Nate??', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51480, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.216.238', 1079420904, 0, ' $\':32:\'$ ..Sweet', 1, 0, 3698, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51481, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.223.136.249', 1079420957, 0, '

Quote (FireMedic @ Mar. 15 2004,20:33)

Nice, Dan...will the "Dos Equies" be ready for the M+G you think??

mmmm, painted LIME green, mmmmmmm', 1, 0, 3698, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (70618, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '64.4.227.100', 1086807822, 0, 'yes i painted it. its just primer sealer.

and this is the 4th door iv been through in not even a year $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 5246, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (58888, '67-1033255981', 1, 1, '65.74.113.160', 1082399631, 0, '

Quote (Bronco85 @ April 19 2004,10:06)

I copied a design that the guy said has worked for years with no problems what so ever.

And I've heard people say that they can run 44's on a dana 30 without any problems. Doesn't mean its a good idea. It's a lot easier to build it right the first time than to fix it after it breaks. $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 136, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57495, '83-1081305755', 1, 1, '209.112.170.232', 1081814179, 0, 'I've had an idea that I was toying with.... I was gonna go buy longer shackles to get an extra inch or two of lift, but I was thinking....why couldn't I WELD a 2 inch square piece of tubing on the frame where the shackle mounts to?. You know what I mean?. If the weld was strong, this should work. It would be like putting on longer shackles right?. I saw a big dodge ramcharger with that done to it once. What you guys think?.', 1, 0, 4146, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51479, '97-1064379495', 1, 1, '66.223.143.215', 1079420205, 0, 'she got it on march 7th. Im just gonna go to court.', 1, 0, 3694, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55861, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '64.4.225.39', 1081212718, 0, '

Quote (Bad-Ass Creations @ April 02 2004,18:15)

Only 20" tall! But holds and amazing 640gal of compressed CO2 gas!

so how many psi is in the tank.', 1, 0, 3956, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51475, '114-1067308606', 1, 1, '209.112.215.99', 1079418857, 0, 'The place is huge. I got my truck box there and they were the only ones in town that had what i wanted. Not to mention the guy who helped me even carried it for me. $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33751, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.228.59', 1066110341, 0, '

Quote (Newbie2000TJ @ Oct. 13 2003,22:24)

Knik auto wrecking , got it on the way in the morning, I really want a beastly ole truck

Haha.. I understand that. I'd love to have another beast of an FSJ too for a winter beater. I had a wicked '75 Cherokee Chief in high school.. A built 360 with straight pipes is what it had.. it wasn't blisteringly fast, but it was noisy, which was cool when I was 16. Not now tho, I think I'd go insane with no mufflers.', 1, 0, 2373, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33750, '114-1042432543', 1, 1, '24.237.11.221', 1066104266, 0, 'There is a j20 on the lemon lot with a snowplow. Don't know how much, didn't look at it very closely.', 1, 0, 2373, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33749, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.119.30', 1066112875, 0, '

Quote (ranger @ Oct. 13 2003,20:04)

There is a j20 on the lemon lot with a snowplow. Don't know how much, didn't look at it very closely.

$1500.

It's a '67
Looks like D44s front and rear, but I'm not 100%
327 V-8 (not a Chev 327... Jeep did make a 327 from 65-68)
Shift on the column, (3 speed?)
I looked it over pretty good. Body is in good shape, no big rust holes or major dents. Tailgate is bent up some though. Also the "pipe" bumper is proof that whoever owned it can't weld.

There is a 40 or 50 gal gas tank that's mounted in the bed. Stock one has been removed.

The front springs are shot. Someone homemade a shackle lift, but the springs are almost like this ~.

Very clean truck. Motor doesn't leak, could almost eat off of it.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2373, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33748, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '24.237.96.100', 1066104304, 0, 'M-715s are really cool, but if you want it for abuse it's really not a good platform. Yeah, you get Dana 70s, but they're closed knuckle and have small shafts (30 spline I think). The engines have zero power, and with the gearing you won't be going highway speeds.

Don't get me wrong; I'd LOVE to have an M-715, but I'd instantly drop in a Chevy running gear with modern 1-ton axles.

For information on FSJs (full-size jeeps), go to www.ifsja.org and click to get into the forum area. When I was driving my Wagoneer I used to hang out there all the time. If you run into a pristine Grand Wagoneer for a reasonable price while searching for a pickup, let me know.

RWC', 1, 0, 2373, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55267, '65-1032938862', 1, 1, '66.223.128.174', 1080966680, 0, 'That part never works right. Hasn't for a while. I think the spammers do something to it that screws it up.', 1, 0, 3958, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55268, '115-1055209700', 1, 1, '65.74.119.66', 1080967724, 0, '

Quote (Badcop @ Mar. 16 2004,15:56)

Erik, is there a color choise to the ballistic's?? Even if not I will still take a set, let me know when they come in.

Brian

Hey man I have two sets in my Jeep and there great. I always mess around with mine at red lights. I'm always pulling myself up with them.', 1, 0, 3686, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51474, '66-1068077651', 1, 1, '66.223.146.142', 1079416770, 0, 'Hey, Steve! Small world, huh?! Chris told me that you were on the board, but I thought he was just full of B.S. $\':43:\'$

Well, if you ever get those orders to Alaska, you'll be in 4-wheelers' heaven! Let me tell ya, these guys up here are some hardcore, crazy SOBs. Not to mention there are some BEAUTIFUL sites to see up here.

Anyway, welcome to the board and good luck on getting the orders. Also, good luck on testing for Tech. Chris just sewed on Tech. March 1st. $\':32:\'$ 'Bout damn time!!', 1, 0, 1, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51472, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079415863, 0, '

Quote (Maddening @ Mar. 15 2004,19:40)

OK.. fine then, SAS it is.. taking donations, one axle, leaf springs, and a welder.. I'll do an SAS, if it's free! $\':34:\'$ Hmmm.. no donations, OK then, IFS it is!

lol $\':24:\'$

did you get it done this weekend?', 1, 0, 3641, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51465, '98-1031626171', 1, 1, '24.237.148.146', 1079414793, 0, 'upper', 1, 0, 3695, 2, '2544', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51467, '70-1037038076', 1, 1, '24.237.1.129', 1079415225, 0, 'Nice, Dan...will the "Dos Equies" be ready for the M+G you think??', 1, 0, 3698, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51469, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.25', 1079415503, 0, 'I doubt it. The M&G has turned into an animal all it's all own... Should be rolling this summer though.', 1, 0, 3698, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51470, '97-1053383396', 1, 1, '209.112.216.22', 1079415625, 0, 'send me a PM with the ticket number, and I'll ask about it. I work with the SFs now. A little pull, not much.', 1, 0, 3694, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51471, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079415656, 0, 'looking good dan cant wait to see it all done and on the trail', 1, 0, 3698, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51461, '98-1031626171', 1, 1, '24.237.148.146', 1079413327, 0, 'damn nice man, I'm diggin how low geared that is gonna be!', 1, 0, 3698, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51462, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.193.22.41', 1079413802, 0, 'Nice clearance. Very nice. Good ya got help from Mr. Normal, Abe Normal.', 1, 0, 3698, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51463, '98-1031626171', 1, 1, '24.237.148.146', 1079414288, 0, 'axle end', 1, 0, 3695, 2, '2543', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51464, '114-1054070349', 1, 1, '12.17.142.41', 1079414703, 0, 'what a pratz. they must think we're gullible or something. I WONT STAND FOR IT!
I'm gonna complain to my internet porn provider right now! $\':15:\'$

=P', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51459, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.25', 1079412616, 0, 'Here's the last one for now. One of the motor mounts. I'm posting alot of these because it's not normal everyday stuff. More like abnormal. $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3698, 2, '2542', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51455, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.25', 1079411948, 0, 'Here's one of the pass. side floor mods so far.', 1, 0, 3698, 2, '2540', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51456, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.224.123', 1079412008, 0, 'OK.. fine then, SAS it is.. taking donations, one axle, leaf springs, and a welder.. I'll do an SAS, if it's free! $\':34:\'$ Hmmm.. no donations, OK then, IFS it is!', 1, 0, 3641, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51457, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.25', 1079412051, 0, 'One of the trans. shifter tower. Gonna be cake to get this to work.', 1, 0, 3698, 2, '2541', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51458, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '12.104.79.33', 1079412259, 0, 'Here's mine for the day..

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that Mr. David Moore did not declare any next of kin
or relations in all his official documents,including
his Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank. This sum of US$22,000,000.00 is still deposited in our Bank and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of this financier quarter. No one will ever come forward to claim this fund. According to Laws of Republic of South Korea, at the expiration of 5 (five) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the South Korean Government if nobody applies to claim the fund.

Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as
a foreigner to stand in as the next of kin to Mr.
David Moore so that the fruits of this old man's
labour will not get into the hands of some corrupt
government officials. This is simple, I will like you
to provide immediately your full names and address
so that the attorney will prepare the necessary
documents and affidavits that will put you in place
as the next of kin.

We shall employ the services of an attorney for
drafting and notarization of the WILL and to obtain
the necessary documents and letter of
probate/administration in your favor for the
transfer.

A bank account in any part of the world that you will
provide will then facilitate the transfer of this
money to you as the beneficiary/next of kin. The money
will be paid into your account for us to share in the
ratio of 80% for me and 20% for you.

There is no risk at all as all the paperwork for this transaction will be done by the attorney and my position as the auditor of the bank guarantees the successful execution of this transaction. If you are interested, please reply immediately via the private email address above. Upon your response, I shall then provide you with more details and relevant documents
that will help you understand the transaction much
better.

Please observe utmost confidentiality, and be rest
assured that this transaction would be most
profitable for both of us because I shall require
your assistance to invest my share in your country.

Awaiting your urgent reply via my email address

Best regards.
MR. LEE SANG-DUCK', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51452, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.25', 1079411758, 0, 'One of the drivers side.', 1, 0, 3698, 2, '2538', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (59716, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.212.218', 1082773217, 0, '

Quote (Fat B*@terd @ April 23 2004,16:16)

I guess the 14 bolt (because it's a GM axel and not some shitty Ford axel) will make it way in there a little sooner.

$\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 4334, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51453, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.25', 1079411852, 0, 'Here's a shot from the rear.', 1, 0, 3698, 2, '2539', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51454, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.223.136.249', 1079411857, 0, '

Quote (Rowdy Red @ Mar. 15 2004,16:50)

Trackbar would be rear. Panhard in front.

Really??? So, the adjustable front RE Trackbar, and the relocation bracket belong in the rear??? Damn I knew somethin didnt look right.... $\':42:\'$ $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3695, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51337, '102-1033711393', 1, 1, '209.193.39.197', 1079373427, 0, 'Sell the whole pos and buy a cherokee......', 1, 0, 3640, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51451, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.25', 1079411664, 0, 'Here's a pic of the pass. side of the crossmember.', 1, 0, 3698, 2, '2537', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51336, '102-1033711393', 1, 1, '209.193.39.197', 1079373149, 0, 'SAS', 1, 0, 3641, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51951, '110-1077947577', 1, 1, '24.237.6.105', 1079635086, 0, 'Pretty cool this morning too. Lame deal for her. $\':31:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3739, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51952, '110-1077947577', 1, 1, '24.237.6.105', 1079635249, 0, 'I'm bored and was wondering what you're listening to right now. I have in Black Label Society - Funeral Bell. Anyone else listening to music or radio? Just wondering.', 1, 0, 3740, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51332, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079372570, 0, 'Not the same monster. The D-30 has 10 ring bolts while the D-35 only has 8 ring bolts. $\':37:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3685, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51331, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079372371, 0, 'Mac Is in a world of hurt! They seem to have anever ending prob with no support from the company! These poor guys are pushing tools from shop to shop and its hard for them to get orders coplete and be a good service to us guys that like the tools they have to offer. I orderd a few items I have been waiting to come in for over two months. $\':37:\'$ Thats why you never see to many of those guys around long.', 1, 0, 3675, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51328, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079372028, 0, 'I don't even know what building 1 is. I work in the SCIF on the backside of base. Ya can't miss it, it's got an antenna the size of a football stadium.', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51329, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079372294, 0, 'I can just see ya now Nate, typing away on your computer...

Why sure I'll help you out sir, here is my bank account number... $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51330, '66-1077090345', 1, 1, '24.237.1.129', 1079372356, 0, 'Here is a link to a review of the wheels from the Pirate BB
High Impact Review by Lance Clifford

And another review...please note that Allied beadlocks and High Impact is the same company and the same wheels.

Another by Lance Clifford', 1, 0, 3634, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51327, '66-1077090345', 1, 1, '24.237.1.129', 1079372028, 0, 'Brian, here is a picture of High impact's design and a link to the F.A.Q. page from their site.

F.A.Q. Here\n\n

', 1, 0, 3634, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51324, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079371815, 0, 'Yeah Nate they have alot of camping stuff, I can't believe you haven't already been there, it's nice.', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54606, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1080790473, 0, 'two', 1, 0, 3830, 1, '2705', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51326, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '66.223.150.213', 1079371891, 0, 'Its amazing what happens when we all discuss something instead of comparing sizes.

You are absolutly right ODDBALL!!!

Maybe with the spring and summer coming up ALL including myself have learned something from the research and discussion.

$\':1:\'$ $\':1:\'$ to you all', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51321, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079370781, 0, 'Practice is what I intend to do. This has turnd out to be a good talk! $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51320, '84-1079111665', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079370716, 0, 'These grips attach to rollbars and offer a safe and super secure grab handle for getting in and out of your jeep or just plain holding on for dear life while your wife is driving. There will be no shipping charges, the price you see is the price you pay. This offer will run for one month or until 10 orders are filled, whichever comes first. At that time the order will be placed and delivery will be made within a 1-2 week time period. Other raingler products are available also, including their nets and jeep bumpers. PM me or post here for a price quote. Payment is due upon delivery.

Erik Paul
TrailToyz.com

Raingler Ballistic Grips
link: ballistic grips
$20/pair

Raingler quick Grips
Link: Quick Grips
$15/pair', 1, 0, 3686, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51319, '82-1071789724', 1, 1, '65.74.0.6', 1079370537, 0, 'Lol, yeah mokie was like that. Wait he still is. I grew up with his son. Not sure how he can keep a wife...lol.

I can talk to my grandpa see where the company gets the tools. I tihnk they just deal with snap on though.', 1, 0, 3675, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51317, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079370376, 0, 'Anyting you want! $\':24:\'$ Thats the place I picked up my 12ga from. Good service and all the folk seem nice and happy. I hope they do well and continue to help us all get ready for the outdoors. $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51318, '102-1033711393', 1, 1, '209.193.39.197', 1079370377, 0, 'hey brentt, we went to the alaska sealife place in seward yesterday. there was someone before us in line from minot ND!. small world...', 1, 0, 3651, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51316, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1079370306, 0, '2 years ago I was going to get like $500 back. But my parents claimed me as a dependant. Because I was still going to school Saved them almost $2000 they owed alot. Then I had to pay like $300 but since they got money back after claiming me they paid for it:) Last year I got about 22 gallons worth of gas.

You want to know somthing fucked up. All you miliary guys going to Iraq for the war get it tax free. My dad was there for almost 3 months. Working right beside you guys, and he still has to pay taxs on that income he made. HOW fucked up is that!! I hear also that the contractors going over are getting that tax free as well.', 1, 0, 3606, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51315, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079370125, 0, '

Quote (OneTonCJ @ Mar. 14 2004,17:20)

That is a AWESOME picture! I would like to get way back in there also. Just to see it in person $\':34:\'$

Frank, this was about an hour of on foot hard work. Frosty and I are saying out loud WE ARE CRAZY most of the way up. $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3645, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51308, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '66.223.150.213', 1079367627, 0, '95ZJ- You work in the basement building 1?
Do you know any of the people who just got back from Kosavo?', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51309, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '209.112.208.116', 1079367937, 0, 'I have no problems with the Native community. I do have opinions, but I'd waste my time trying to explain.

My Dad is half Mic Mac.. guess that would make me 1/4?. I do know that I can only trace my family roots back a few generations because my last name isn't the true family name. It was just used to cover up when indians were being deported.\n\n

', 1, 0, 3606, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51310, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '209.112.208.116', 1079368454, 0, 'They have camping stuff too??', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51311, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '209.112.208.116', 1079368628, 0, 'Everytime I see that pic, I always think someone took a postcard and photochopped Oddball sitting there!

Awesome stuff. Don't worry, I won't sleep too late this summer.', 1, 0, 3645, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51306, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1079366876, 0, 'Yep I get one atleast once a week. Just deleted, I don't even get past the first line anymore.', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51307, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '209.112.208.116', 1079367286, 0, 'And the whole time I thought I was important or something. Couldn't get ahold of that get for my $$. $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51303, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079364557, 0, 'Its just spam, delete it.', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51304, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079365939, 0, 'I get a different version of that same e-mail almost weekly. I just delete it everytime, although I have to wonder if they actually get anyone who is stupid enough to respond. Some people are just dumb. $\':37:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51305, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079366210, 0, 'Damn Gabe your luck sucks, have your shit stolen and get a beat by your own friends all in the same month. You need to invest in a rabbits foot... or maybe a glock $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3632, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51300, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.223.136.249', 1079361552, 0, 'Are YJ D30 and D35's the same as a TJ's when it comes to gears and lockers? I know the axles themselves are different in the 2 peice rear, whatever vacuum things front, but are the housings and carriers different?', 1, 0, 3685, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51301, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.223.136.249', 1079361875, 0, 'You should call and forward this to the FBI's internet crimes devision.', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51302, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.223.136.249', 1079362069, 0, 'You have or can you get a picture of the crimping that they use. I looked at Ed's the other day and was informed of the dos and donts of some of these that are out. If you remember the ones TC ran on the XJ, those were the donts. The crimping between the rim, and lip of the wheel was rounded not flat.', 1, 0, 3634, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51298, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079360193, 0, 'yep use the 35 stuff.', 1, 0, 3680, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51299, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079360315, 0, '

Quote (OneTonCJ @ Mar. 14 2004,15:50)

That goes to everyone $\':2:\'$

Not me. I want a big greasy mouthful that I choke and gag on.....Oh wait that is Frosty and Jerry Drinkin straight from the Man Milk Machine....', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51296, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079358999, 0, 'WTF WEATHER

There is a link to my weather...current temp. 3. When you consider the fact that I am in the lower 48....that is frickin cold.', 1, 0, 3651, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51297, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1079359927, 0, 'First off, I'm real laid back and hard to piss off so I'm all for a good debate. I call it how a see it and I'm not saying that my opinion is right but it is my opinion and I stand behind it. About every other corner that I pass in this town has a bum on it beggin for money (mostly native from what I've seen) and can't agree with that at all no matter where they are from. Maybe it's cause where I'm from there are no bums and I mean NO bums. I think it's pathetic to beg for money. Although I lived in the city quite a bit I am originally from a farming community in Kansas where everyone works from sunrise to sunset and none of them are getting rich by doing it. I am sure there are plenty of hardworking natives who are good people but I just haven't met any so my view of there people so far has been somewhat tainted. And last I'm not racist, I'll give anyone a chance but at the same time I'm not a hippy and there are definitely people in this world I don't care to know but it isn't because of skin color it is because of their attitude. Once again just my opinion.', 1, 0, 3606, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51294, '78-1046760946', 1, 1, '64.12.116.84', 1079357372, 0, 'how did it get spun from my dislike of the irs to where it is now ? no clue whatsoever. maybe someone should lock this down before it gets ugly', 1, 0, 3606, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51295, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079358645, 0, '

Quote (Newbie2000TJ @ Mar. 15 2004,04:29)

how did it get spun from my dislike of the irs to where it is now ? no clue whatsoever. maybe someone should lock this down before it gets ugly

Why are you afraid of a heated debate? This is not a name calling contest yet. It is a discussion so far.

I think your to sensitive to the race card. Personally I am a equal opportunity asshole.

RWC I agree with you. I also know Meatgazer and will venture to guess that the typed word came out wrong. happens to me all the time.

As for the Immigrant worker. I feel like this. The American worker has gotten greedy. We have had it good for a long time. And the American Worker (AW) is just trying to get more than his fair share.

So the Mexicans will do the same job cheaper. Without healthcare, 401k's or workmans comp. Why? Because they believe in the true american dream of Working Your Way to the Top.

Oh and before you go get all pissed because of my viewpoint. My family runs a farm. I grew up in a trailer and started my working life making 798 dollars a month. I put myself through college (well actually put myself and my wife through). I believe that I am blessed beyond belief and I do the things in my life because I like to. I am happy at my station in life but always strive to get to were I want to go. I just wish more people would do the same and stop placing blame on someone else.

If your pissed off that a Illegal Alien picks Asparagus for 3 dollars a hour. Be a man and go pick it for 2. Until then......

As for the crime. Stop electing officials that are pussies. Start excersising your rights and turn people in for the shitty things they do. Go on citizen patrols. Lots of things you can do if your not happy with your crime rate.', 1, 0, 3606, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (59319, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.223.136.249', 1082578110, 0, 'AMC 20 #1 Carrier', 1, 0, 4232, 2, '2909', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51293, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079357284, 0, 'Greg- I hear you on the Bears are not scurred thing. Must come from being at the top of the FoodChain.

Oddball- Your shotgun is hot. I went down and took a close look at it at the local Arms store. Nice piece of work. Look into a fold up stock if this is 100% protection. Keep the rifle stock if you are gonna pop a tarmigan or grouse once and awhile.

Practice, Practice, Practice.', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51291, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '66.223.175.139', 1079348246, 0, '

Quote

With all the native bums that Alaska has Shemya Island would be over populated in about a week. Tell them to find a job or we'll give them one... slave labor work you lazy shitbags

I don't know you at all 95 ZJ, but that's a totally BS stereotypical racist statement. Regardless of how you try to spin it, that statement was uncalled for. $\':39:\'$ I find it sad that this kind of attitude is still around given how far we've come in civil rights and given the abuses that western culture inflicted on North America's indigenous populations.

RWC', 1, 0, 3606, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57514, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.52.190', 1081824128, 0, 'Did he ever get back with you Brian?', 1, 0, 4109, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51290, '114-1054070349', 1, 1, '12.17.142.41', 1079347893, 0, 'someboy sent this to me through the e-mail a while back.

I am James Banana son of former Zimbabwean
President,Reverend Canaan Sodindo Banana who died on Monday 10th
November
2003.My late father was president of Zimbabwe from 1980 -1987.He was
succeeded by the then prime minister Robert Mugabe who because
ofpolitical
motives supported my late father former aides and accused him of sexual
harassment with same sex (homosexuality) which carries a ten years
sentence
in Zimbabwe.

After an eleven days trial we fled to Botswana
after receiving information that Robert Mugabe and his cohorts are
after our
lives and properties thinking my father was supporting the opposition
party.
My
late father went back to Zimbabwe
were he was convicted for two years by the help of former south African
president Nelson Mandela.

To summarise this story, my late father decided to
deposit the sum of $24,200,000USD (twenty four million two hundred
thousand
united
states dollars)with a private security firm in Europe with
my name as the beneficiary.

Since my father is dead now and my mother is
seriously ill, I consider it worthwhile to look for a partner who
will assist us in securing the release of this deposit.For this
transaction we will give out 10% for the assistance,50% share for
possible
help
on investing in any reliable venture,
2% to buy personal properties like a house and cars etc when we
relocate to
a safer country..

There are however some minimal cost involved in
securing the release of this deposit from the present holding company.
If you would want to proceed under these terms,please reply for
detailed
information. If you do not accept my offer,please in good fate
treat with utmost confidentiality .
A quick reply with your name,telephone and fax
numbers for more confidential
communication will be highly appreciated.Please contact me with my
private
mail address.

Best Regards ,
James bannana', 1, 0, 3684, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (59320, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.223.136.249', 1082578161, 0, 'AMC 20 #2 Carrier', 1, 0, 4232, 2, '2910', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (52485, '78-1046760946', 1, 1, '205.188.208.140', 1079856971, 0, 'I'm sorry .', 1, 0, 3778, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51282, '116-1032745643', 1, 1, '66.58.216.110', 1079335977, 0, 'I loved the IRS this year..got almost 5500.00 back paid off 2 of my Credit Cards.and kept 1000.00 for my jeep :) I claim 0 even though I have 2. so I am sure that helps a lot.', 1, 0, 3606, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51947, '114-1042432543', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079634134, 0, 'No problem, I'm not stressing.
Thanks for the feedback, much appriciated!', 1, 0, 3722, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55848, '84-1079111665', 1, 1, '66.223.146.84', 1081209031, 0, 'QUICK FIST (Package of 2)

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Quote (smikey2 @ Mar. 14 2004,11:33)

I carry with the NPS and am required to get certified annually on .44 magnum and 12 guage. Should the .30 cal be the weapon of choice why is it they do not make you qualify with .30?

I have no idea, but if NPS is the National Park Service, that's probably half the answer. I doubt that you are expected to qualify with a bear stopper, and would have to guess that killing bears is not your mission or you would be suitably armed. Instead, you are expected to qualify with a reasonbly useful, multi-purpose people stopper/injured-moose-humane-killer or whatever it is that your mission anticipates. Perhaps NPS is making decisions about arms the way most police agencies do -- with budgets, not with results in mind. I don't know. If you really want an answer, pass the question up your chain of command. I don't have any idea why you would carry either one of those weapons into the field as a law enforcement officer. The .44 revolver is not the best choice in a law enforcement defensive sidearm (a Glock .40 would be worlds better for that) and the shotgun is over-rated and underpowered for all large North American game. If you want to pose hypothetical questions, why is it that you never hear of big game guides carrying 12 ga. shotguns as a backup weapon on a bear hunt?

Muzzle velocities and muzzle energies are nice to compare as long as the shot you are taking is at muzzle range. 50 yards down range the .30-06 will retain far more of its muzzle energy than will the saboted slug. The average .30-06 will still kill at 300 yards while the shotgun slug at 100 yards will be dropping like the stock market. 600 grain bullets won't retain energy for long starting at only 1,700 fps and have the trajectory of a water ballon.

The comparison testing done by Fish & Game was done about 15 years ago, and available ammunition has changed some since then. At the time, there were no 315 grain .44 magnum handgun rounds available, only 240's, and the 3" magnum shotgun was not the norm either. Still, while there are performance increases in each of these calibers, they still don't equal what a good rifle will produce, and as I mentioned, Fish & Game said that the .30-06 was the minimum rifle, not the ideal rifle for bear.

I would prefer my .375 H&H or .300 Weatherby Magnum for bear, but don't carry either one on trail rides. That's not really what they are for. I variably carry .357 magnum, .44 magnum in a S&W Performance Center with a 3" barrel, or the S&W Model 610 Performance Center with 3" barrel, which is a 10mm/.40S&W revolver. Each of these is fine for trail varmints, and I can reliably hit man-sized targets out to 100 yards offhand, which is good enough and a bit beyond the ballistic usefulness of any of the normal handgun rounds. The .44 magnum bear loads are abusive to shoot, but will still print inside 4 or 5 inches at 25 yards in rapid fire if you don't mind a little pain. Whether they would stop a bear is a different question. I have never met anyone who went hunting for brown bear armed only with a .44 magnum revolver.

The original theme was a Benelli shotgun, which is one of the best on the market right now. A gorgeous, high-tech weapon. The point was only that anyone who carries one should understand its limits and not expect a brown bear to fall over dead if you shoot one with it. If you have to shoot to save your life, the shotgun will be far better and easier to hit the first shot than most any handgun unless the gunner is highly skilled. But one-shot stops are as unlikely with the shotgun as with the magnum revolver. One-shot strikes are more likely with the shotgun than the handgun. It's up to you to make your choice if you have to choose between one or the other.

As for shooting a bear at more than 20 yards, I would guess that this was a comment not thought all the way through. Unless you are out actually hunting for bear, in which case you would be carrying a real rifle, you would not want to take such a shot because it is not good tactics. If the bear offers no immediate threat, why shoot? After 40 yards, the average shotgun will have no real stopping power left against a bear, so why waste the ammo? You just risk pissing off the bear.

Brown and black bears are reasonably shy of people, but not really spooky at all for the most part. I have had both kinds on the deck here at home, and had the black bear standing up with front paws on the kitchen door while I took pictures from the other side of the glass. I eventually fired a round over the head of the black from 20 feet away because it was not inclined to leave the yard, and I thought the shot might scare it off. The round passed within inches of its ears, but it did not even flinch. It just stared at me for 30 seconds, then decided to walk away. On the other hand, the brown bear walked off when I yelled at it, but only after I yelled at it several times. It, too, was not frightened, but just decided to go somewhere else.

I have come upon brown bear on the trail on a 4-wheeler while deer hunting, and had time to take pictures before it decided to fade away. We were about 40 or so yards off, and the bear looked to be less threatened by the ordeal than we were. The rifles were cased and if the bear had charged immediately, there would not have been time to get one out. Fortunately, they were not needed that day.

The best advice I heard in this string is that of carrying the one weapon you would choose to put a bear down with, but would still think this was valid only if you really feel that there is a likelihood of needing to do so. The safest practice is to see and avoid during the day, and clean up camp before going to bed at night.', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51277, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1079332510, 0, 'T-1 hour and counting. Camo and face paint required, shovel is a recommended item we might have to tunnel our way in. 00RAM4x4 you are prior intel, can you work us up some blue-prints of the building? Your codename will brown-beaver.

T-55 minutes, Groundhog out.', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51278, '78-1046760946', 1, 1, '152.163.252.71', 1079332687, 0, 'hell i know more about that building than he does . I worked ON IT for a freakin decade , place is about as secure as swiss cheese LOL', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51279, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1079333695, 0, 'Thats good to know Newbie, makes me feel all safe and warm. Operation "Seize control of the Armory" has been postponed till further notice, I just realized I have to get up and go to work in just over 6 hours $\':37:\'$ . I am taking some sleeping pills and hittin the sack for a couple hours.', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (58799, '106-1068020244', 1, 1, '24.237.195.101', 1082358650, 0, 'damn i need to stop by Jerry i didnt know you fawkers were doing charlies rig.', 1, 0, 4248, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (58800, '69-1063231806', 1, 1, '209.112.147.164', 1082358726, 0, 'Ok... I put it on my website now... this should work...

\n\n

', 1, 0, 4256, 10, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51274, '69-1063231806', 1, 1, '209.193.52.173', 1079331587, 0, 'I got tasked to be the ECP guy for the EOC...... now that bites nuts..... sitting at desk waiting for people to come in all night and checking that ID's and bags.... Then when it's finally over.... I get to go to my shop so that I can do 4 more hours.... they said it would be unfair if we only had to do 8 hour shifts...... yeah..... cause that's fair... those eight hour shifts as ECP seem like 20 hour shifts.......', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (52483, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '153.29.112.34', 1079855469, 0, 'Sorry for the loss. Thats very sad to hear.', 1, 0, 3778, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (52484, '103-1061886867', 1, 1, '209.112.221.197', 1079856729, 0, 'me too.... i'm also very sorry for your loss......
..........................................................................................
..............................................................................', 1, 0, 3778, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51270, '78-1077324422', 1, 1, '66.58.138.150', 1079331280, 0, 'Very nice store. I think they're going to do well here with their selection, just about everything you need is there.', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51272, '70-1061444905', 1, 1, '209.112.132.225', 1079331464, 0, 'mine was in el paso tx 3 yrs ago . my wife and i was helping with a local desert race and we were the prerunners for 2 stages . my wife with her stock 4runner and me in a fairly stock taco . my wife was really digging the race stuff so she decides to floor the runner over some crazy stuff and goes air born not seeing a tree laying over the ravine she smacks the winshield leaving its mark and landing hard enough to bust the oil pan and rear shocks .......funny part she was smiling ear to ear and she was hooked from there on . but the passangers weren't amuzed !
i guess come to think off it they all were pretty good for me. i m ok when i hit something but i seem to get a bit uneasy when my wife does . i have been lucky and had good people to wheel with . when you see people crack a beer before they lock in the hubs i leave . those are the family rules been there done that . i hate babysitting adults .', 1, 0, 3646, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54604, '76-1032161379', 1, 1, '24.237.47.251', 1080790127, 0, 'More than that, based on the picture of herself she posted earlier this week she is quite an attractive woman. For some reason the pic is gone though, I am sure Frosty saved it to his computer though and could upload it.

Come down to the AK Ex meeting tomorrow night and find out for yourself.', 1, 0, 3922, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51265, '97-1031819818', 1, 1, '66.58.207.41', 1079330359, 0, 'I gave mokie two attemts to do busseness with me (one over a several thousand dollor deal) Both times he treated me like shit and in general was an ass. I refuesed to give him my money.
but thanks.
The guys name something brown. I just heard that he closed doors and is outa the game last week. He didn't seem to want my money ithier.

aktinbender $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3675, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (52482, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '153.29.112.34', 1079855321, 0, 'That is great. God I needed that laugh.', 1, 0, 3775, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51267, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079330733, 0, 'were where the hi lifts at', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51268, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.186.181', 1079330843, 0, 'On the left side of building..right before you go upstairs..They even have the bases for the high lift..They have both size of highlifts $52', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51262, '78-1046760946', 1, 1, '66.58.219.1', 1079329964, 0, 'ahh deployments and exercises , the district doesn't make us do that ....but we get to drive on base to the schools and smile real big while everyone dons mop gear ...I miss is sorta ...not $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55898, '65-1032938862', 1, 1, '66.223.128.174', 1081228782, 0, 'I've had that problem too. Only thing is Corey was trying to show me his boobs. They are pretty nice though.', 1, 0, 3993, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55901, '104-1058033856', 1, 1, '24.237.125.139', 1081229117, 0, 'It does that every 28 days or so. Brook is aware of the problem.', 1, 0, 3999, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57539, '101-1075268045', 1, 1, '65.74.86.85', 1081839283, 0, '

Quote

i am surious what kind of condition that T-case is in??. i had planned on at least painting the outside and making sure that it was all nice and clean before i installed it. but i was curious if i should think about rebuilding it before i installed it?? and will the shift lever from my NP208 mount up to the new one? or am i going to need to get a hold of another lever??

It seems to shift easily. Covered with grime as you can expect. New bearings and seals wouldn't hurt just to be sure you don't have problems after all the work of installing it. You'll have to use a 205 shift lever I believe. I'll check tomorrow, but I think I got the complete shift lever with it when I yanked it.', 1, 0, 3911, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55895, '65-1032938862', 1, 1, '66.223.128.174', 1081227762, 0, 'Yep, that is exactly what it was doing to me too.', 1, 0, 3999, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55896, '79-1080886693', 1, 1, '24.237.124.238', 1081228389, 0, 'Thanks for all the recommendatitons. I will start calling up the shops and finding out cost and time.', 1, 0, 3989, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55897, '71-1066601687', 1, 1, '66.58.155.129', 1081228690, 0, '*knocks on your door* :D', 1, 0, 3993, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (52480, '65-1034207668', 1, 1, '209.112.211.42', 1079854423, 0, 'Chilly used it on my D60 and 14-bolt after he media blasted them. It looks really snazzy and may not chip, but it scrapes off fairly easily.

I will probably just get some rust inhibiting rattle can stuff for my D44 and factory rear axle and then just do touch ups for scrapes and chips.

Sleddy, I am about 90% positive that you brush this stuff on. It will destroy a paint gun since it literally bonds to ANY surface it touches. I got some on my arm when hoisting the 14-bolt around and that stuff was on there for a couple weeks with daily showers.\n\n

', 1, 0, 3772, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51257, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1079329183, 0, 'Smikey- they hardly ever have any deployments for my AFSC from this base, if you hear of one hook me up. I volunteer for anything and everything that is open but they either aren't for my AFSC or they end up canceling it. I had one lined up about six months ago and I thought I was gonna get to go to Quatar but they cancelled that one to. My last supervisor was stationed here for 6 years and never got to go anywhere. I am on the deployment team for our squadron but that didn't seem to help either. $\':38:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51255, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1079328614, 0, 'I'm thinkin about adding my own part into the exercise since they don't let me play. I was thinkin about gettin all camo'd up and trying to break in to the Armory to test there reaction times and capabilities. Good idea ya? Anyone else want to come, we could make it a group assult. $\':34:\'$ Tonight at 10:30 we'll meet at the old oak tree by the soccor field. Bring your FRS, my codename will be Groundhog and Sarge you can be pretty pony. Who else is in?

Oh and don't tell Badcop about this or he might have the cops waiting for us $\':24:\'$

We have T minus 2 hours, Groundhog out.', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51253, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079328416, 0, 'Got 1 thanks anyway sarge!! Kind of funny you think you got something. Oh tell Von Holdt whats up!!!

Hey 95 how is you got out of the recent deployment? I know a few people down there so dont go bragging to much!! $\':1:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51252, '83-1078333557', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079327735, 0, 'Want me to send you a copy of the script? $\':21:\'$ NOT!!!', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51248, '97-1064379495', 1, 1, '66.223.143.215', 1079327023, 0, 'I need to get some steel for a rear tire carrier im building. Where a place I can get some for a good price?', 1, 0, 3681, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51249, '78-1046760946', 1, 1, '66.58.219.1', 1079327106, 0, 'alaska steel had the best price on stuff when i built my atv ramps , but that was 1/4" angle not square stock might check though', 1, 0, 3681, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (53377, '70-1037038076', 1, 1, '24.237.1.129', 1080254813, 0, 'How the????', 1, 0, 3845, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (53364, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '209.112.208.116', 1080252792, 0, 'I got a cell phone back when it was still AT&T. I ended up getting the mid-line plan with 400 anytime minutes, free night/weekends, free long distance. Came out to about $45 month after taxes and all. The smaller plan was 100 or 200 minutes (can't remember for sure) for $29.99 plus taxes.

When Cellular One took over, they kept the same plan too.

I've found I'm barely using the anytime minutes, maybe 20-30 mintues a month, so I called Cellular One to go down to the $29.99 plan. Apparently they decided to come up with a whole different pricing plan, and they are doing me a favor by keeping my AT&T plan. Their smallest plan is 150 anytime and 1000 nights and weekends, but costs $40 plus taxes. $\':24:\'$

Are there any other cell phone companies that would have a cheaper plan?

I checked with GCI and ACS and both will be more expensive for what I want as well. I was perfectly happy with AT&T. Good service and phone worked 95% of the time. Wish I could say the same for Cellular One.\n\n

', 1, 0, 3843, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51244, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1079326423, 0, 'I couldn't even tell you what Alarm yellow Mopp 2 means. Since we don't play in any of the exercises the last time I delt with any of that stuff was two years ago in basic training. I guess it doesn't matter cause when/if something went down we (intel) would be working in the basement of the scif and leave the fun stuff to you guys. Have fun $\':21:\'$ .', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51245, '78-1046760946', 1, 1, '66.58.219.1', 1079326583, 0, 'ahh intel , those guys that sit in air conditioning and listen to beeps and squeeks from the soviet far east......', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51246, '70-1070255992', 1, 1, '209.112.213.23', 1079326691, 0, 'haha why is shit like this so addicting 1142.8', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (53560, '70-1037038076', 1, 1, '24.237.1.129', 1080333507, 0, 'Fish and game does a super job of the very complicated task of managing game in each area. Besides being general worless pieces of $hit these morons are screwing with the balance of nature in ways they don't even know. Poaching could close hunting down to everyone just like wheeling illegally in private property can stop the sport we all love.', 1, 0, 3858, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51243, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1079325775, 0, 'For guns they have the best selection and prices for anywhere in Alaska that I have seen. They even beat most the BX prices although BX will match prices so it evens out, but I'd still buy from them cause they have most stuff in stock which the BX doesn't. Looked like they had ALOT of fishing stuff to but I don't fish so I couldn't tell you much other than it looked like a good selection. Really nice store all around, I was impressed. $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51240, '83-1078333557', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079324775, 0, '

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ Mar. 14 2004,13:29)

Were is that at Sarge?

I hate to say it, but I don't know. A buddy of mine e-mailed it to me back when I was workin' combat comm at Robins.', 1, 0, 30, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (53393, '66-1035826732', 1, 1, '24.237.3.15', 1080260096, 0, 'Didnt the first few years of the TJ's have a problem with the plug in the back of the insturment cluster? They would work them selves loose or something and not have a good connection. I think there is a fix for this that the dealer does. Might look into it.', 1, 0, 3841, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54602, '115-1034280637', 1, 1, '209.112.213.110', 1080789290, 0, 'I have been looking around the message board to see if this has already been asked but didn't see anyhting. I have had a few people ask me if this "legs69" is really a girl. i am going to have to make a guess and say NO!! "legs69" claims to have alot very expensive stuff done to her jeep. so if you are a dude, you should stop lieing to everyone and get a name that better suits you. But if you are a women i am very sorry if i offended you in any way.', 1, 0, 3922, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54603, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1080789518, 0, '

Quote (98Taco @ Mar. 31 2004,16:18)

I don't need a sled to get up the hill.

But what fun is that? $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3883, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51237, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079322666, 0, 'Has anyone been to the new sprotsman warehouse? it over were the k-mart use to be by best buy. its real nice. It should do good in anchorage. Very big slections, and some good prices. go check it out\n\n

', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51239, '106-1068020244', 1, 1, '24.237.192.145', 1079323961, 0, 'can anyone give me the details on what is needed for the 8.8 going to my jeep as far as brake set up. do i use the tee block from the 35 or what exactly will i need . finally doing the soa and axle conversion monday night. all help is great.', 1, 0, 3680, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51233, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079321649, 0, 'Let the games begin!!! Alarm yellow Mopp 2 $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51247, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.186.181', 1079326981, 0, 'Anything to do with outdoors they have..They even have high lift jacks...jerry cans..etc etc', 1, 0, 3679, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54589, '82-1076208302', 1, 1, '66.223.149.229', 1080786739, 0, 'well i'm looking for any help or ideas you guys have on a creeking noise i have. it's on an 86 gmc 1/2ton with 4'' lift. the noise doesn't happen all the time, normally when it's colder outside or when the truck has been sitting for awhile. it happens just as you put the starting pressure of moving forward. it's a some what loud creek and then it done. only happens once and doesn't do it in any other gear. just wondering if someone might have ideas. thanks', 1, 0, 3921, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54586, '71-1070691655', 1, 1, '209.112.142.157', 1080785104, 0, '

Quote (Trigger @ Mar. 31 2004,10:10)

I have some rust holes on my inner rock panels. If I fill those then bondo em, would it be a bad idea to POR-15 them, as well as a little bit on my fenders?

That may work for a year or two but if you want something permanent you may want to sand blast then do your repairs. In all reality there are no easy ways to to permanently fix rusted bodys unless you cut the rust out or sand blast.', 1, 0, 3772, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54723, '70-1037038076', 1, 1, '209.193.41.171', 1080812323, 0, '

Quote (Nak4af @ Mar. 31 2004,21:59)

No!

I have never aired down my tires. Every time I have gotten stuck was due to my axles or frame bottoming out. Airing down would do no good then.

Ahhh....you have much to learn then grasshopper....', 1, 0, 3796, 10, NULL, NULL, NULL), (101326, '82-1053473053', 1, 1, '199.81.157.97', 1099427678, 0, 'That bus looks really nice. Bet it cost a nice chuck of change.', 1, 0, 7817, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54615, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1080792029, 0, 'From this to that.', 1, 0, 3759, 2, '2708', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (54616, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1080792138, 0, 'Ahhh', 1, 0, 3759, 2, '2709', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (54617, '116-1078526785', 1, 1, '24.237.215.172', 1080792251, 0, 'Well hopefully that's the case. Don't know why they wouldn't list it in the component list though. I emailed RE with questions on sunday night and they still haven't replied. $\':37:\'$

BadCo, what if instead of getting the cv/SYE setup I just drop my transfer case. Looks like their 4.5" lift comes with a 1" drop kit. Maybe 1/2" drop would be enough for the 3.5" lift? Any downsides to dropping the tcase other than decreased ground clearence? I could probably even make my own drop kit for like $5 from Lowe's... sure beats a few hundred.

-tibim\n\n

', 1, 0, 3872, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51250, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '12.104.79.33', 1079327297, 0, 'I have 10' of 3x3 1/8" square tube. Bought the wrong stuff. If you want it let me know. They're in 5' sections', 1, 0, 3681, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51251, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1079327441, 0, 'Yeah physically our job has got to be the easiest in the entire military but mentally I assure you it is straining as hell. My supervisor told me our career field has one of the highest suicide rates, it can definitely be hard to deal with sometimes.

So can anybody tell me whats goin on in the exercise since I don't get to play? Are we being attacked by any certain country and what are they doing (bombing us or ground invasion)?', 1, 0, 3677, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51231, '82-1071789724', 1, 1, '24.237.124.16', 1079321273, 0, 'Was the guy you bought froms name by any chance Mokie? (spelling) If so, i can get ahold of him and ask him about who he sold to.', 1, 0, 3675, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55900, '71-1066601687', 1, 1, '66.58.155.129', 1081229015, 0, '

Quote (AK-Cruiser @ April 05 2004,17:50)

Quote (Gearhead @ April 05 2004,01:12)

nevermind I got it....

*bangs head on desk*

what did you do im still in that room i dont get it....... HELP $\':37:\'$ $\':42:\'$

ok, Sarge had it like 99% right, after you press the last button in sarge's ummm... order that he typed out, push the second one.

I beat the game last night so if you have any questions hit me up on messengers $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3977, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54580, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '209.112.208.116', 1080782864, 0, 'I was going to photochop a Gollums face on on of his pics but I couldn't finger out how to do that.', 1, 0, 3899, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54583, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1080783804, 0, 'Im downloading a few pics & will post them when done.', 1, 0, 3830, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54584, '70-1037038076', 1, 1, '209.193.41.171', 1080784392, 0, 'As light as your rig is with only a 4.0 do you really expect to kill the 60?', 1, 0, 126, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51220, '67-1049860163', 1, 1, '12.21.208.161', 1079318709, 0, 'Yah I wouldn't flinch at trying Howell. I talked to them too about some stuff before and they seemed super friendly and willing to help me out. I also have talked with Turbo City too the guy there is Tom. Thats who I talked too. Really knowledgable on the stuff and friendly. 'Bout the same price range as Howell too. I saw a write up on their kits and they look really nice and complete. Check them out too maybe. Good luck with it all.', 1, 0, 3598, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51218, '97-1031819818', 1, 1, '66.58.207.41', 1079317940, 0, 'looking for a good dealler for mac tools. Have a bunch of stuff I need exchanged and the fawrker haven't been buy in about two years.

aktinbender $\':1:\'$

stick with snap-on ( at least most of there stuff in still made in the usa unlike mac)', 1, 0, 3675, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55850, '83-1032374396', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1081209317, 0, 'Who's had the experience in getting tops or bottoms or both removed? Military docs are taking the tops out on wednesday and just wanted a heads up on what to expect. They said local will be enough to numb the pain. $\':35:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3998, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57544, '56-1073518986', 1, 1, '209.112.197.49', 1081842417, 0, 'i have seen the carb that phil is talking about. it seems to be in decent condition. a little cleaning and i think that it would perfect for you. you would need to find out what cfm it is tho. it may be to big for your needs
- Paul $\':1:\'$ $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 4128, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (101314, '65-1080195208', 1, 1, '206.96.61.10', 1099425304, 0, '

Quote (manuelXJ @ Nov. 02 2004,10:45)

...the lift for the sami will be going on as soon as i get the tranny swap done on my xj

Post up pics as you go...tech section...have fun', 1, 0, 7425, 13, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57543, '101-1064183325', 1, 1, '209.112.210.61', 1081842352, 0, 'i was asked by a neighbor today how much i wanted for my jeep. my response was what! so he asked againand i said no. After talking to him for a half hour he asked 3 more times so i gave in and told him 10 grand. To my surprise he said ok. Just could not do it the love for the jeep.', 1, 0, 4156, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (66086, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.211.93', 1085199421, 0, 'I fell in love with Wilson's but about died when I priced them...
I have always enjoyed Kimber, especially for the price.
Never knew of anyone who has had a problem, including a couple of ranges that have had quite a few they've used for renting, so I know they've been fired tones...
Out of the box I'd buy a Kimber...
Custom, well I'd have to do some research but I know of a couple of gunsmiths in the Denver area that would build anything I wanted and tweak it until I said enough was enough...
In reality I'll stick with the Kimber because I can't afford much better.

Have fun though, that model is reproduced more than just about any other type... You should have more than enough to choose from

Chaz $\':15:\'$ $\':41:\'$ $\':15:\'$ ', 1, 0, 4910, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57518, '101-1049601068', 1, 1, '24.237.77.97', 1081825619, 0, 'There may be two problems here (and although you're seeing them at the same time, they may be un-related)..
1st, windows. Does the the xj have a switch that's like a child saftey switch or a "lock-out" by any chance? If I hadn't had a vehicle into the shop myself for this very reason, I would not attempt to insult you by suggesting it - worth checking though.

2. Locks. I think frosty has this nailed. The first place to look is these remote boxes. If there is a way to disconnect the wires from the bos, start with that and see if it resolves the problem.

Grounds in your doors are the next step for both. Nate is right, an electrical problem is almost always related to a bad ground, or a wire shorted to ground. try the first two things first, and then look for the short!...tw', 1, 0, 4137, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (59318, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '143.214.160.69', 1082577875, 0, 'and Nate NAPA always gives a military discount ya goober so does schmucks..... so you aint special $\':21:\'$ besides I'm still trying to figure out how the AF is part of the military anyway I'm thinking more of a 4 year summer camp! $\':42:\'$ ', 1, 0, 4305, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51203, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.110.74.96', 1079313622, 0, 'That is a AWESOME picture! I would like to get way back in there also. Just to see it in person $\':34:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3645, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51201, '111-1058428175', 1, 1, '172.16.200.1', 1079313167, 0, 'Yeah CJ5, same here, as far as the bad opinions go, plus I talked directly to Howell and they are really friendly and seem to be good people. I asked about a few of the badd senarios and they said that it really doesn't go down like that, but it is only their word against another's. All and all I will be tryint it', 1, 0, 3598, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (53376, '48-1044646774', 1, 1, '66.223.146.189', 1080254638, 0, 'She just do that today? Saw a cherokee and a wrangler on the way back from the BX in the middle of the road.', 1, 0, 3845, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51198, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.110.74.96', 1079311843, 0, 'That goes to everyone $\':2:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55837, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1081205461, 0, '

Quote (Badcop @ April 05 2004,10:54)

other than the guy being a little confused about his decade, i thaught it was kinda cool, takes some talent to come up with somethin like that.

No it takes having way to much free time on your hands. I could probably learn that in a day or two if they would let me bring a guitar in the scif $\':43:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3992, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51197, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.209.65', 1079311727, 0, 'Keep your words soft and sweet...incase you have to eat them. $\':42:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51194, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.110.74.96', 1079310784, 0, 'WHEELIN' SEASON coming Jerry $\':34:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51195, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.186.181', 1079311141, 0, 'Yep have fun', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (61611, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '209.112.212.212', 1083617955, 0, 'Do you accept credit cards?

Would Co2 be the gas of choice or is the mix (forget what it is) better? I would just need a steel tank... whatever is cheap. Wouldn't have to be bling bling aluminum.\n\n

', 1, 0, 4416, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (58138, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '146.63.113.39', 1082066130, 0, 'Well you don't have to call it a Jeep, but it says Jeep on the grill, uses a substantial amount of CJ-7/8 parts, and AMC decided to call it a Jeep CJ-10.

RWC', 1, 0, 4196, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51193, '70-1061444905', 1, 1, '209.112.150.210', 1079310734, 0, 'my wife is native . and i believe what sarge said is right .

they got screwed . but growing up near many reservations many now use it as an excuse not to better them selves . and in arizona our state is so overloaded with illegals its crippling them .the schools are so overloaded many can't afford to bus them . the crime rate has doubled in the last ten yrs .
instead of putting up with it i think we should drop them off were they came from . i have full respect for someone who comes in the US the right way and does it legal like my grandfather did . at least they pay their end of the burden .
and for the illegal who put my mom in the hospital for driving a unregistered car ,with no insurance ,or liscense $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3606, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51191, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079310454, 0, 'Frosty was the man behind the picture on that day. This summer more to come. Look into that pic and feel how rich and full the vally below is. What you see i the background is Chitna Pass looking into the direction of Hicks Lake. $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3645, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51190, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.186.181', 1079310349, 0, 'Yea Franky We all know it does lately...It's ok Franky it will catch up with ya..', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51188, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.186.181', 1079309960, 0, '

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ Mar. 14 2004,15:10)

My shiz stinks....want a sniff?

Well everyone already knows that..And no I smelled it before $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51189, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.21.208.154', 1079310261, 0, 'Jerry come over around 6AM and you can take a wiff of mine. I will tell yah this, it does stink $\':34:\'$ $\':24:\'$ $\':34:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51185, '78-1073496581', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079307573, 0, 'O.K. It was on the Explorerforum and many people were picking it apart showing things that were wrong with it. I would post the link but I can't get to it from work!!', 1, 0, 30, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51186, '84-1031627444', 1, 1, '68.96.96.222', 1079308287, 0, 'Kurt
What type of spacer are you talking about? One to go on the proportioning valve or where?

Piff', 1, 0, 3640, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51187, '100-1056133572', 1, 1, '209.165.141.254', 1079309442, 0, 'I had to really think - I believe I tend to black out the stupid things I do, hehe.
My 1980 Subaru with burnt, slipping clutch. Bird Creek, and some buddies from out of town to show off to - went off into the hills back there, bombed around awhile, and the way out found a diffent path that came almost all the way out but didn't have a bridge across Bird Creek like I crossed on the way in. It looked like it might have been a ford spot once, and the water had cut away the path. Well, I went for it anyway. Hood completely submerged, water pouring in all over, water up the sidewindows even. ALMOST made it - just as I got to the far bank, I climbed up onto a 2 foot boulder, and it rolled up until it was under the floorboards.The back end was still in the river, the front tires just up on the bank. If I had opened the door, a King salmon would have washed into the rig(it was right outside the door, big red sucker). After a couple hours pulling and pushing and jacking ( and wishing I had just a come-along even) a guy in a CJ came along. He tried to pull me out, but we couldn't get a straight pull at it. Another hour later, he gave up, and I walked to the Birdhouse (now burnt down) and a lady on vacation talked her AAA into getting a tow truck out there for me ( I was impressed, and grateful, I made $5 an hour those days). The tow guy was laughing his ass off. I was just glad to get help. He had to nearly lift the Suby clean off the ground to get it up the bank.

And the stupid part? the REALLY stupid part? In addition to my best friend and his buddy that I was showing off for, I had baby-sitting duties that day, and my 6 month old daughter was snug in her carseat while I did all this. My wife REALLY wanted to kill me.

My clutch quit slipping after the long soak, though $\':41:\'$ , and my daughter still likes wheeling, and my wife even let me stay around hehe.', 1, 0, 3646, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51183, '65-1034207668', 1, 1, '209.112.208.104', 1079306177, 0, 'That Nissan is for real. I can see the drag-link reaching to the pass-side knuckle, but it comes from pretty high up. He simply has a hy-steer draglink with a low-steer tie-rod.

Those tires are too wide for their height and too short for that lift.

Here is another pic of it:\n\n

', 1, 0, 30, 1, '2533', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51184, '84-1079111665', 1, 1, '198.81.26.15', 1079307123, 0, 'I'll call tomorrow and get a quote out to ya. The kits do not include wiring harnesses. You have to wire em up yourself or buy an offroad wiring kit with the lights. The covers can be purchased also and I will get quotes on those as well. Thanks for the interest!\n\n

', 1, 0, 3662, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51181, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079305668, 0, 'yah I watch Badco do a RCD lift to a Chebby. Quality as you can get for still having IFS.', 1, 0, 3648, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51182, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079305811, 0, 'My shiz stinks....want a sniff?', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51180, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079305370, 0, 'Dang Oddball...that is scary stuff. Drinking and Driving don't mix. EVER. Just save it for the campfire, then you can pull a Paco and just drink till you fall over cold till the morning...', 1, 0, 3646, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51179, '78-1077324422', 1, 1, '66.58.138.150', 1079304973, 0, 'I was just looking on the Lightforce site this morning! I'm interested. Could you quote me a price for a set of 140 Lance's? (the 5.6 diameter ones, 140RMDL I guess)

Is it true that the kits just include the lights and no wiring? In my case that would actually be good.

Any chance of getting a group buy going on for the covers too?', 1, 0, 3662, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51177, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.186.181', 1079304198, 0, 'Yea it got to be stupid..chainman..Someone starting to think there shiz dont stink
By the way chainman its 4th gear', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51178, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079304826, 0, 'Damn I actually agree with Smikey...wtf.

Oddball, since this is your first weapon take it out and practice shooting it every way you can think of.

Standing, sitting, kneeling, laying, walking. Practice like rgrjeep stated. Leave it on fire and the safety off, chamber empty. This is going to net you the most accurate reaction. remember it is not really the speed that your looking for it is the accuracy.

Oh and get the Sabot round or Rottwiel rounds. Charlie, Birdman and I did a unofficial comparison last year out at Purches. Standing on the East side of the river we all took turns shooting the top of the dead tree on the other side of the river. I estimate 30 meters as the water was really low.

Sabot rounds made chips fly. Rotwiels made 2x4's fly. 000 buck Made lots o chips fly. Oh and we all shoot magnums or at least 3".

As for the .40 or 10mm. Best round on the market for a handgun. Cannot convince me otherwise. Those rounds are gonna penetrate and have the knockdown power you want and need in a personal sidearm. Plus they are cheap and easy to fire. You will never be scared of the 10mm or .40 like some get with the .44 or even the .357. More rounds downrange equals more stopping ability of the shooter. Glocks....point and shoot. Nothing else. I love that aspect.

I also have a Super Blackhawk because revolvers just don't fail.', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51176, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079303356, 0, '

Quote (Sarge @ Mar. 11 2004,23:50)

Not too much articulation. $\':43:\'$

I know where that picture was taken!! Anyone else know?

I didn't see that wreck but I know that background all to well. Or atleast I am pretty sure I do.

Were is that at Sarge?', 1, 0, 30, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51173, '78-1073496581', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079302274, 0, '

Quote (98Taco @ Jan. 08 2004,15:21)

this one is hilarious.

This is a Photo Shop! Notice there is no steering linkage connected.

\n\n

', 1, 0, 30, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51172, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.214.107', 1079302202, 0, 'Did I miss something. Jerry what'd ya say. Ya got a "W" gunnin for ya $\':15:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54605, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1080790360, 0, 'one', 1, 0, 3830, 1, '2704', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51171, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079302058, 0, '

Quote (EnderUSAF @ Mar. 14 2004,11:19)

Sorry hi-jack the thread but I had a question that also sort of fits the topic...... I have an XJ that I'm planning on putting 33's on..... I've done a little research and from a chart I found it showed 4.10's as being a good mix between power and mileage for 33's..... Would this be a good setup on my XJ...

4.10's is a nice gear & will push 35's ok also.', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51169, '100-1056133572', 1, 1, '209.165.141.254', 1079302003, 0, 'That pic is one of the best I have seen of someone just eatin' up the scenery. It is a nice shot.

Not "real" wheeling, but I love taking the kids to Whiskey Gulch, and rolling up and down the beach in 1st/low range, looking for cool stuff brought in by the tide. Last year I got to the big waterfall for the first time - beautiful. Almost as nice a spot as yours there, Oddball.', 1, 0, 3645, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51163, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.21.209.122', 1079299166, 0, 'I cant wait to wheel with you this year. Because the Jeep wheels itself. All I do is give it gas! The ol' CJ is hungry... $\':34:\'$

I will tell him you said hi :) Been busy lately. Havent had any time for the Jeep. Soon though....', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51166, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079300816, 0, 'As we crest the climb we see the rest of the goupe stoped and one guy standing holding his side. WTF? We find out this drunky was atempting to drive up a near verticle wall and fliped his High hood Jeep over backwards! Durring the flop he was ejected! $\':37:\'$ another guy drives his Jeep out as that hurt guy is rushed out to head to the ER. Not over yet! With people leaving and getting tired we are on the last hill still working to get the cj-8 out the rear 2 peice axle falls apart and a guy gos to grab the tire as it flys down the side of the mountain at like 50mph in the dark! Oh shit! They find the wheel 20min later deep in the woods and the trip time hit the 24hr mark by the time we made it back to Willow. Ed had came back to town to get his truck and trailer to haule the CJ-8 BACK home. :37:That was one of those days when you just wanted to be back home to get some rest! That trip made a lot of guys think about the do's & donts on the trail! The funny stuff came to a hault real fast when the guy was nearly crushed by the rollbar. $\':37:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3646, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51165, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079299732, 0, 'Back in 95 I was on a run with a large groupe of People & the trail was Perches Creek"Hatchers Pass".We hit the road 8am and had one long day ahead of us all! A few guys were nipen of some type of HARD wisky and did that the entier way in. The giggling started & the happy hour was on as the rest of us played and took turns in some of the deep mud chanels near the creek. The intoxicated people covered in mud at this point and still ha ha haha. $\':34:\'$ After one guy fixes a busted rear shaft"DRUNK". We decide to head back out. If you start heading back up you will notice some very steep hills "off" the trail. Ed has a heavy CJ-8 STRAPED to the rear of his CJ-5 that had busted the entier front diff and was on Thornbirds.:37: NEXT ...........................', 1, 0, 3646, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51161, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.21.209.122', 1079297915, 0, 'Jerry: We can too.... Your point? And we do it with boggers... Not swampers $\':34:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51159, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079297115, 0, 'If you ever get the itch to lift it look into a kit from RCD. They have some nice lifts for those trucks.', 1, 0, 3648, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51160, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079297444, 0, 'Jerry your such a sweet man $\':33:\'$ I bet you had the kid perform for you hu? I like the part about the bat to the head. That stuff makes me bust out when I pictuer you waken his ass from your stairs! $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3632, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51158, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079296748, 0, 'Thanks for all the input and info all you guys have posted. $\':32:\'$ This is my first fire arm & I chose it cause I know I cant shoot like some of the guys that hunt evry year/practice. I get out on the trail on 4 wheels but tend to hike a few miles or climb a hill to get a view. I have had 3 close calls over the years with brown bear and the one out at Hicks had me locked in place & AMAZED at the speed he could run! Now from the hill that bear was running from/twards a large group of us Randy S could have put him down but I fell like what Aint Misbehavin has said is true. Bears tend to like to stay away from people & that day the bear decided to change diretion and drop down in a vally. Dont run! They can move twice as fast as you hear about! $\':2:\'$ Thanks again for the input. $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51155, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.193.45.75', 1079294408, 0, '

Quote (00TJ @ Mar. 14 2004,11:04)

I run 2700/2900 at around 65 w/5:13 gears with 38's

Is that in 4th gear or 5th?', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51152, '67-1049860163', 1, 1, '12.110.74.103', 1079292458, 0, 'Funny...Most of the opinions I have always read and heard about Howell TBI's and 401's have always been good. I dont think I have read but, maybe a couple of bad replies about it when I do searches...The majority are pretty good for the most part. I'd try a Howell if I was doing it over again.', 1, 0, 3598, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51153, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '66.223.150.213', 1079292798, 0, 'Ain't Misbehavin by no means am I challenging you information or opinion on this matter, I am actually looking for a little more. I carry with the NPS and am required to get certified annually on .44 magnum and 12 guage. Should the .30 cal be the weapon of choice why is it they do not make you qualify with .30? This is my personal opinion, but the only conclusion I can comeup with is this. The average individual can not % wise put a single shot on target in the 2-4 seconds alotted in a full on charge. With the 12 guage sabot slug you have 600 grains, moving at 1760 fps,delivering 2919 Muzzle Energy in foot-pounds while a .30-06 is 180 grains, moving at 2600 fps,delivering 2616 Muzzle Energy in foot-pounds. The point I am making is unless you can chamber rounds like John Wayne then chances are better IMO opinion with the shotgun. You can pump them through or auto load them faster. You even have a slight advantage in Muzzle Energy.

Just a good tid bit of info a native guy in Glennallen once told me: If you knew without a doubt you would run into a bear on a specific day what would you carry? .... The answer is obvious what ever you knew without a doubt would stop the bear... That my friend is what you should ALWAYS carry.', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54579, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1080782407, 0, 'Thanks for the pics Frosty, those are all great views but like you said this is Alaska...', 1, 0, 3900, 14, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51149, '69-1063231806', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079291998, 0, 'Sorry hi-jack the thread but I had a question that also sort of fits the topic...... I have an XJ that I'm planning on putting 33's on..... I've done a little research and from a chart I found it showed 4.10's as being a good mix between power and mileage for 33's..... Would this be a good setup on my XJ...', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51150, '67-1049860163', 1, 1, '12.110.74.103', 1079292143, 0, 'Jerry you also have an OD which is a HUGE difference for gears with tires. So yah you can get away with 5.13 gears/38"ers pavement pounding where as someone with an older vehicle that'd be a little low for PP'N.', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (79974, '84-1079111665', 1, 1, '66.223.146.84', 1090832422, 0, 'Just letting folks know..I won't be checking this board for a week cause we have family camp with our church for a week. If anybody needs prices, etc. call my cell and I'll get em for ya. Just don't want anybody thinking their PM's are being ignored :)

God Bless and have a good week!

Erik Paul
www.Trailtoyz.com
CELL: 907.350.9573', 1, 0, 6083, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54614, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1080791893, 0, 'A few to add to you build up.', 1, 0, 3759, 2, '2707', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51168, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079301480, 0, 'Way back in Boulder with Frosty & BlackJack. 20+ miles in and we camp out in the rain to wake up to a clearing sky and one hell of a hike! This was a good day!', 1, 0, 3645, 1, '2532', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (62656, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1083965763, 0, 'I am exploring biodesiel. It is good shit. Should be able to get my fuel bill to drop about 45%', 1, 0, 4622, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (62657, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1083965906, 0, '

Quote (AK2AZ @ May 07 2004,12:30)

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ May 07 2004,11:56)

Well to the west I can see Montana. To the east Minnesota. To the North I can see some Cannucks staring back at me. To the South I think I can see Mnt Rushmore in SD....North Dakota is the shittiest place on Earth that does not involve flying bullets......

$\':24:\'$

Yeah and people like me giving you the bird as I fly over that flat shit hole. $\':34:\'$

FU', 1, 0, 4614, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51144, '84-1079111665', 1, 1, '198.81.26.15', 1079289357, 0, 'this group buy has been canceled due to lack of participation. Contact me to purchase Lightforce Lights! $\':41:\'$

Erik@trailtoyz.com\n\n

', 1, 0, 3662, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51143, '78-1046760946', 1, 1, '152.163.252.71', 1079288936, 0, 'best score for me just got it ....1185.2', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51142, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.110.74.103', 1079288680, 0, 'Reverse Rotation means that the pinion on the axle it higher than the std. rotation axle. Here is a pic of my reverse rotation 60. Most call them High Pinion 60's.

', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51138, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '12.104.79.33', 1079287360, 0, 'Ya know mine I just have to turn the lever on to.. And it always works.. No screwing with stuff.', 1, 0, 3621, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51137, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '12.104.79.33', 1079287270, 0, 'I hope you have an auto. 4.88s are going to suck. I have 4.56s and 36" tires. I run 3K at 65. 38s will bring that down to probably 2800 at 65.', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51136, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.213.113', 1079286682, 0, 'Got up to about 43 here yesterday $\':21:\'$
Snow is melting $\':32:\'$
Have Fun Brentt', 1, 0, 3651, 1, '2531', 0, 'image/gif'), (52683, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079995563, 0, 'this going to be your DD grant? $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3788, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51135, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079286070, 0, '

Quote (DNGRRNGR @ Mar. 14 2004,00:48)

Although I still do believe that I need to upgrade my sidearm and will probably do so before the summer hits.

Desert eagel 50 cal $\':34:\'$ $\':34:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51130, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.122.159', 1079284509, 0, 'The 8.8 brakes work on the 9". All you need is a spacer from Currie Ent. Noah has them on his 9" in the back of his Cherokee. He is running stock mc and prop valve, with no complaints.', 1, 0, 3640, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51129, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.122.159', 1079284258, 0, 'Aka high pinion. Yes, in the front it is a good thing.', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57545, '101-1064183325', 1, 1, '209.112.210.61', 1081842755, 0, 'i saw the 49/21/17 in action or something close to that size.I know they were 49s.Saw them on the rubicon last weekend when i was in caly.Awsome tire,no problems in the mud or rocks!', 1, 0, 4157, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51128, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.122.159', 1079284176, 0, 'tibim- You do not have vacuum lines going to your front wheels on you XJ. What you see is the speed sensor wiring harness going to the front speed sensors. Jeep stopped using the vacuum disconnect style front axle in the early 90s. Now, the "hubs" are always locked. The outer axleshaft is simply engaged into the wheel bearing.', 1, 0, 3616, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51126, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '66.223.150.213', 1079283776, 0, 'NICE!!
Congrats on the new truck!!!!', 1, 0, 3651, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51124, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079283351, 0, '

Quote (Nak4af @ Mar. 14 2004,07:04)

Where you at Alaska ZJ?

North Dakota', 1, 0, 3651, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51125, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.122.159', 1079283588, 0, 'Sounds like you are on the right track Chainman. I don't see where the stock p/s pump is going to let you down. This will be a kick ass swap. OBDII is a fairly intense computer, it has all sorts of data capabilities. Once you get this done, your Jeep will have to be I/M tested as a 2000. No more tailpipe tests on '96 and newer. Keep us updated.', 1, 0, 3608, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51122, '78-1073496581', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079280248, 0, 'Where you at Alaska ZJ?', 1, 0, 3651, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51120, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079280126, 0, 'Thanks for the reality check krylon. Makes me feel better now.', 1, 0, 3651, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51121, '78-1073496581', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079280142, 0, 'WOW! That was stupid!

The whole time I was waiting for something to happen!', 1, 0, 3639, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51119, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079280095, 0, '

Quote (AlaskaXJ @ Mar. 13 2004,19:30)

Hope you have better luck with the Duramax than the rumors I've been hearing drifting down from the slope.

well I hope so to. Reports I dug up on the net are fine. Plus it is going to remain stock. Might pump it once the warrenty runs out.

Isuzu has been building diesels for a LONG time. they are much respected in the diesel world I am in no way scurred of it.

I am however scurred of the tank like ride of the Ford and the POS interior of the Mopar.', 1, 0, 3648, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51118, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.225.223', 1079279314, 0, 'silly ricers.. $\':15:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3639, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51116, '83-1032835348', 1, 1, '144.106.202.7', 1079265639, 0, 'Good deal man, maybe next time you lock him up in the basement and get Brentt to break out the gimp suit....', 1, 0, 3632, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51117, '56-1073518986', 1, 1, '209.193.45.146', 1079267051, 0, 'i am currently shopping for gears for the axles of my bronco. i am goign to be getting 4.88's. the catalog i was looking at says that ford 1/2 tons from '77.5-'96. i am going to assume that i have one then. prior years have std rotation. i am going to assume that like the name says the driveshaft spins opposite the rear. my question is this. is putting gears in this a good thing or no?? the catalog that i am mentioning is the 4wheel parts performance center catalog. i currently have 35" tires but will be upgrading to 38 or 40 when my current rubber dies..... any help or answers is greatly appreciated.', 1, 0, 3661, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (52682, '66-1031727621', 1, 1, '209.193.39.197', 1079995494, 0, 'You need to add a lot more bracing for the top mount. The winch is no longer pulling in a direct line with the frame rail so you need to compensate for that.', 1, 0, 3794, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51114, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079259854, 0, 'Prolly the worst was B-29. Went with Paco, his brother, Keith, Ed (drives stock YJ).

The day was awesome. Trail was great. A bit damp... but nothing bad.

Well that evening it started raining. Woke up that morning still raining. I never saw dirt that could turn so slick. A slight incline and the Jeep was just sliding down... with it in Park!

Somehow Oddball and a few others from AK Extreme guys heard us on the FRS from the Tesoro in Wasilla and came to get us. Had to leave the Jeeps until the next day.

Keith camped out that night.

The next day me and Keith headed up. Parked at the trail head and hiked up... with straps, chains, and other supplies. Took us about 3hrs to get to the Jeeps. Got them down with the help of Oddball and Blackjack who came to help after they got out of work.', 1, 0, 3646, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51111, '83-1078333557', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079258474, 0, '

Quote (DNGRRNGR @ Mar. 13 2004,19:05)

must be air-force humor........ dumb de dumb dumb....

$\':21:\'$

I guess it's the street side of me showing through on this one. I figured that the Ricers bugged the 4x4 guys as much as they do the Muscle Car guys. $\':38:\'$ We hate 'em.', 1, 0, 3639, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51110, '66-1031727621', 1, 1, '209.112.221.173', 1079257930, 0, '

Quote (Rowdy Red @ Mar. 13 2004,11:20)

What kind of freespool trouble does the 8274 have?

Poor freespooling is usually due to the brake hanging up. There are a few tricks to help with this. One is to power out a few feet before pulling the clutch. This rolls the cam and spreads the brake discs apart (this can also be done by hand but it is just as easy use the remote) so there is less drag. The other is to try and not jerk on the lines as you are pulling it off of the drum as the brake sets itself very easily. If these do not work for you, the brake may need to be taken apart and cleaned up a little.', 1, 0, 3621, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51109, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.213.113', 1079257924, 0, 'Got a picture of that kid.....', 1, 0, 3632, 1, '2530', 0, 'image/gif'), (51108, '114-1054070349', 1, 1, '12.17.142.41', 1079257751, 0, 'hello. my names jacob im located in wasilla.
I grew up around old trucks. and wheeling. and it stuck with me as i got older. This summer I plan on wheeling(tread lightly) most of the trails here in AK. money and old trucks permitting maybe i'll see a few of ya'll out there.', 1, 0, 1, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51107, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '208.151.110.219', 1079257703, 0, 'Ain't Misbehavin Posted on Mar. 13 2004,23:12

Quote

How many guys carrying handguns have trained and practiced at drawing and firing 2 or more rounds on a moving target in under 2 seconds from the leather. It gets harder to do under stress.

Pretty much EVERY member of the U.S. Army is profecient at that speed and at engaging targets at less than 25 yards.
$\':21:\'$

But I do agree with much of your info...... I only carry a .40Cal S&W Auto as my sidearm and my .30-06 as my hunting rifle.... but I'm trained on both of them quite well. Although I still do believe that I need to upgrade my sidearm and will probably do so before the summer hits.\n\n

', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51106, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '208.151.110.219', 1079257148, 0, 'that was a link on the Bob&Mark website a few monthes back........ that made the rounds through post........ we had competitions in my company... my best is 1201.4...... best in my company was 1486.2..... some "LT" with a lot of time to play!', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51105, '101-1075268045', 1, 1, '152.121.33.65', 1079257027, 0, 'I don't know about the 3x6. I've never worked with it, and frankly don't even know if there is such a size. You're right about the 2x4 being too small for a full size, not to mention mounting the tire carrier too. I used 2x4 for the rear of my CJ without a tire carrier, and it was perfect. I used 2x8 for the K5 to keep it thin for departure angle, but tall enough to give good coverage in the rear, then beveled the ends. Hard to see in the pics, but if you look close you can see the bevel. Wish I had better pics here! Also put a 2" receiver in it, flush on the outside, with the pin hole and chain hooks behind the bumper so there's nothing hanging out to get hung up on anything. The license plate is mounted in the receiver in the pics. Oh, and I put in some 1" flat plate with 1" holes drilled in them for attachment points as well. Look here: http://4x4iron.com/ for their home page, and here: http://4x4iron.com/default_files/page0050.htm for better pics of this specific bumper. They're retailing this thing for $875. I finished it at about $300 total, including welding rod, grinding discs, body filler and paint. (Which is about what the shipping would cost to get it here!)', 1, 0, 3652, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54612, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1080791543, 0, 'Back to dirt & rock!', 1, 0, 53, 1, '2706', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51104, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1079256964, 0, 'I tend to agree with your info but that is why I would start shootin before it was 20 yards away (if it looked to be aggresive) and I will be carrying an autoloader, I figure I can get off atleast 10 rounds before it hits me like a mac truck.

And I'm also thinking more for protection in the area around here, I was under the impression that this part of the state was home to more smaller bears, not the 2,000lb griz. If a 2,000lb Griz runs at me I'm not shootin at it unless I've got a .50 BMG and I don't, I would probably just stand there and shit on myself.', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54613, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '12.104.79.33', 1080791871, 0, '

Quote (98Taco @ Mar. 22 2004,21:57)

Here I am climbing Center Ridge in Turnagain Pass on Saturday, with a friend's dog watching my 6.

Ya I bet it was watching your 6 $\':33:\'$ $\':33:\'$ ', 1, 0, 53, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (62759, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.21.209.82', 1083991262, 0, 'OK they are 25lbs. That is without bolts though. So I would say the shipping wieght was right then. Got my 8274-50 motor today for the winch. That thing rips! Didnt take any pics of that yet. Winch is done though! VERY CLOSE to being able to go WHEEL! $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 4626, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51100, '66-1031727621', 1, 1, '209.112.221.173', 1079256696, 0, 'Thank you all, and sorry, no dances from Frosty.', 1, 0, 3647, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51102, '78-1077324422', 1, 1, '66.58.138.150', 1079256917, 0, 'Bicycle trip down Rocky River Road (behind Seldovia) last summer. Great weather, easy riding, stayed in a nice cabin, packed just the right amount, and got to check out an old chrome mine! I also spent some time on the zip line that goes over the river.

Despite the flat tire I got, and us not using the sauna (4 guys/0 girls, no incentive) it was a great trip.

I would love to go wheeling down this old road sometime; gravel, rocks, alders, brush, lots of washouts, at least two river crossings. It would be an interesting trip, and really cool to get to the other side of the peninsula, we were only halfway. I'd like to try it again this next summer.', 1, 0, 3645, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54611, '66-1031727621', 1, 1, '209.193.39.197', 1080791421, 0, 'The only thing IMO that is not cool about that thing is the hood. It looks like a tabletop. Needs some lines in it. You have to love all that tube though. TC better get it in gear and get working on that thing, summer is a coming.', 1, 0, 3830, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57491, '65-1034207668', 1, 1, '12.17.190.22', 1081811036, 0, 'Thanks, Curtis. Now I know.

Do you have any specs on it? Looked really good with the yellow/grey two-tone and big meats.

BTW, do you know someone that can narrow axles and do other axle surgery like torching off radius arm mounts?

Thanks, dude', 1, 0, 4106, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57492, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.223.136.249', 1081812043, 0, 'lmao, thats funny....', 1, 0, 4145, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54573, '82-1053473053', 1, 1, '24.237.128.246', 1080781533, 0, 'Well at least it is minor, but it still sucks. $\':31:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3796, 10, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51097, '78-1077324422', 1, 1, '66.58.138.150', 1079256061, 0, 'It was a three wheeler trip last summer, just a day trip. Two people on a 250cc Big Red, me on my new-to-me 250SX and my friend on my little 125M.

Started about noon from Circle Lake road outside Homer, going to Caribou Lake, about an eight mile trip. Beautiful day, fun and easy riding until about a mile before the lake. My friend got the 125M stuck, not badly though. He's reving the engine way up and not moving, I holler over to just pull the thing out, it weighs nothing. He does so and shows me that the machine is not driving forward. I try it, goose the throttle, and hear the most bone-chilling gear grinding noise. We pulled the machine to a dry spot, and I get to work. I tore down most of the driveline, reset the chain, reset the rear axle and messed with the adjustments which got bent up. Removing lugnuts even on a three wheeler is no fun, in this case it was an eight inch diameter rim and a four inch long wrench. One bolt holding the axle had fallen out, cuasing the rear axle to slide forward and loosen the chain. Put it back together (the whole process took about an hour) and we got going again.

Within half a mile the 125M breaks again. I decide to tow it to the cabin, which is only about half a mile away now. No problems getting there. The girl unlocks the cabin and dashes inside. My friend gets distracted by the shiny, shiny, bell at the front door. He walks towards it without looking at the ground, and puts a nail in his foot. He immidiatly jumps off that foot, and puts is other foot through another nail. He then looks down. For bear protection is a sheet of plywood full of nails. He goes inside and sits for about two hours.

I decide that the 125M will keep breaking and keep us out all night if I have to keep fixing it, it's already getting dark. I pull the drive chain out of it and connect a towrope to my 250SX. My now gimpy friend rides the 125M, while in tow.

Through the marshes and the dark went surprisingly well, no big problems or stucks, it just took along time. About two miles from the trailhead, we notice the headlight on the Big Red dimming. The alternator had burned out and the machine was running on just electricity from the battery. I end up riding ahead with the 125M and the gimp, and deposit them at the trailhead. I go back down the trail and find the other two pushing the Big Red about a quarter mile from the trailhead. We get back to the trailhead at about 1:30 AM. I get home around 2:15, in bed at 2:30. I get up 3 1/2 hours later and am at work by 7:00 am. I had a 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew for breakfast.
$\':35:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3646, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54608, '65-1032938862', 1, 1, '66.223.128.174', 1080790689, 0, 'My brakes make that sound all the time. Even on my new jeep it does it. I don't know if I'd be all that worried about it unless it is grinding.', 1, 0, 3921, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (62758, '98-1031626171', 1, 1, '24.237.150.110', 1083991187, 0, ' $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 4628, 2, '3009', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (54577, '70-1034710482', 1, 1, '65.239.6.85', 1080782170, 0, 'It not a Spider Customs Chassis it is a Gradys Offroad chassis called the Jackyl:

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', 1, 0, 3830, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51094, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079253414, 0, 'Ain't Misbehavin: good info! what about a ruger 480 or the freedom arms 454 casull or a 45-70 lever action or the pistol. the lever action would be slow so you would be lucky to get off 2 rounds. but like you said you would need to do a lot of practic with these large caliber pistols. if i go buy my own bear gun i will be one of thoes 3 pistols. that 45-70 is on big fawking pistol.

looke looke this is post 999\n\n

', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51092, '65-1045478876', 1, 1, '12.21.209.7', 1079251965, 0, '

Quote (Chainman @ Mar. 12 2004,00:25)

Nothin, but nothin, beats a 12 g. pump.

Alaska Department of Fish & Game did a test several years back, comparing the efficiency of popular weapons used in the field against bear. These tests included survey results from field encounters and live fire against animal carcasses. The 12 ga. with a 1 oz. slug beat 00 buck, but that's not saying much. 00 buck is not recommended against anything but thin-skin small game, such as deer. Why do you suppose it is called "buck shot?" 00 buck shot is just a dozen or fewer lead balls about .36 caliber travelling at hardly better than 1,000 fps. Don't go there.

Slugs are better, but the problem is that the 12 ga. with slugs was found to be not ballistically different from the .44 magnum at stopping bear at realistic defense range, under 25 yards. Neither one penetrates enough to kill brown bear with one shot. Both are better than nothing. Most brown bear killed in Alaska with .44 magnum handguns have had a hold on the shooter at the time. That's too close for comfort and not really where most folks would want to be.

If you must carry one or the other, it depends on which you personally can get into action and stike a target with, repeatedly, in under 5 seconds including draw time. Take your pick. Neither will stop a brown bear in its tracks. Both will kill the bear eventually, but not quickly enough to keep you safe. Never shoot at the bear's head. Even if you could hit it, you would be wasting your time.

The Fish & Game test recommended nothing smaller than a full .30 caliber rifle against bear if you really intend to kill it and save your life. .308 is acceptable but only at close range where the ballistics are similar to .30-06. .30-06 is minimum rifle against brown bear if you are looking for a more or less reliable one-shot stop at close range. Even then, it takes skill to place that one shot where it will do some good. If you are not sure where to shoot to kill a charging bear, find out before you use your weapon.

So, if you are traveling in brown bear country and really believe that you might need to shoot to kill to save your butt, carry a rifle with a minimum of .30-06. Whatever you use needs to be able to break major bones, such as shoulder bones, and still penetrate through vital organs, or if shooting full frontal shots, it needs to penetrate just about the full length of the bear. Pistol cartiridges generally won't do this, and 12-inch wound channels will just piss off the bear. Some of the hotter .44 magnum rounds will penetrate but only at under 15 yards, and that is really close to be betting your life, not to mention that unless you are very skilled and up on your practice, and fortunate enough to be carrying your revolver where you can get to it in under 2 seconds, you won't have time to use a handgun. How many guys carrying handguns have trained and practiced at drawing and firing 2 or more rounds on a moving target in under 2 seconds from the leather. It gets harder to do under stress.

20 yards to 40 yards is a buffer against browns. If they get inside 20 yards and are still moving your way fast, you are in trouble and need to shoot. At that point, and at 40 mph, you have maybe 2 seconds to deal with the situation. I personally know only one or two guys who have the skill to get a handgun into play and still hit the target in that amount of time.

Same rules apply to a shotgun. Beyond 20 yards you are probably wasting you time, and inside 20 yards on a charging brown you have 2 seconds. With a pump gun you will get one shot, maybe 2. With an auto loader you will get 2 or 3 if you are really good, and you will probably be shocked with the lack of immediate result. With this game, you get one try.

Bears are generally shy of people, and as long as you don't leave food lying around camp, they will usually not come close. You might surprise one while driving a trail, but if you do, there should be no reason to shoot at it. Outside of stupid liberal tree-huggers with cameras, most bear attacks are associated with careless hunters and hikers, or campers who leave dinner scattered around the fire, not with Jeepers in their vehicles.

But if you feel the need, get the best .30 caliber rifle you can afford and keep it handy.

The 12 ga. is nice, though, for home defense. Get some #2 shot, take it to the range, and practice getting the weapon from a low guard to target without fumbling around, then get at least two shots on the target without delay between shots. Never rely on one shot when two are available, even with a shotgun.

.40 S&W is wonderful against people at reasonable ranges. The 10mm is hotter, but essentially the same round in a sort of magnum way. Neither is sufficient against bears, except perhaps the 10mm can be used against a black bear at point blank range from a blind. Glock makes a wonderful pistol, the major feature of which is that it tends to go bang every time you pull the trigger, but none come in bear caliber. Glocks are for people.

Personally, I usually carry a S&W Model 65 in .357. I know what I can do with it, and it is good against the real threat on the trail, which is not really bears.', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51091, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079251237, 0, '

Quote (Badcop @ Mar. 13 2004,12:41)

Any run that Nate showed up for......

Same goes for you. $\':42:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3646, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51090, '115-1061587628', 1, 1, '209.112.209.242', 1079248577, 0, 'I just look em in the eye and calmly tell them to back off. Guns are for girly men who can't handle a bear. :D', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51088, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.217.86', 1079247831, 0, 'He's wearing overalls. Watcha expect?', 1, 0, 3655, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51089, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079247916, 0, '

Quote (Badcop @ Mar. 13 2004,21:53)

1241.9

$\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51085, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1079247226, 0, '1241.9', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51086, '78-1046760946', 1, 1, '205.188.208.107', 1079247277, 0, '957, fabulous stuff', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (99168, '65-1097139694', 1, 1, '24.237.125.55', 1098524725, 0, 'thats to far away', 1, 0, 7501, 7, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51084, '70-1064902524', 1, 1, '209.165.189.18', 1079247176, 0, 'I must be wrong about winning something, thought it sounded like bullshit. $\':37:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51083, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079247135, 0, 'This is GREAT!!!', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51080, '65-1032938862', 1, 1, '66.223.128.174', 1079246696, 0, 'My best is 1283.6. Damn that penguin head went far.', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54574, '70-1034710482', 1, 1, '65.239.6.85', 1080781975, 0, 'Went to Northern to day and grabed this pic', 1, 0, 3830, 1, '2703', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (56011, '97-1053383396', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1081292108, 0, 'I don't think the !?'!? censorship is outa !?!?*# control.', 1, 0, 3965, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51078, '57-1058859024', 1, 1, '24.237.154.99', 1079246175, 0, 'Damn...my bad. thought it was the bottom hat in this picAK49 hats', 1, 0, 3613, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51079, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079246666, 0, 'Hmmm wonder if you could do this up here im sure that whales wash up on the beach some were.

', 1, 0, 30, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (53257, '66-1051076078', 1, 1, '66.223.148.233', 1080237013, 0, 'Hicks has been relatively tame the last couple of years due to the early Springs and low snowfall. I'm guessing this Spring will be fairly warm, although we did get a fair amount of snow up there. I'd expect that those of you who've never run the trail on a difficult year will find it different. If all of the springs running across the plateau are flowing, the mudholes can be extremely deep and endless. It doesn't make sense to run the trail until the snow has been gone for quite a while and the surface has had a chance to dry out a bit. All you're going to do is tear the trail up.

Oddball and others who have been up here a while know this, but I mention it for the benefit of those who are getting Spring fever and want to hit all of the hard trails right off the bat. Breakup is not the time to be hitting trails with hillclimbs/off-camber sections and somewhat soft roadbeds. Trails like Wishbone can usually handle the traffic early in the season, but trails like Ruby Lake and Boulder need a little time to set up. Just because you can hit those trails early in the season doesn't mean you should. Digging ruts in soft trails just pisses off the ATV crowd and gives the enviro-weenie guys more ammo. There are a lot of trenches on Ruby Lake that weren't there a few years ago, and ATVs didn't create them.

All I ask is that you think before you proceed.', 1, 0, 538, 14, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51075, '115-1061587628', 1, 1, '209.112.209.242', 1079245603, 0, 'If I can get it local for a realistic price, I will. Thanks for the info on that.
Is 3x6 a common size? I think 2x4 would be too small. I do want some protection from other vehicles!', 1, 0, 3652, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51076, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079245716, 0, 'thats a really cool pic!!!', 1, 0, 3655, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51077, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079245904, 0, 'heres mine smith and wesson 44mag

heres the glock 45

180 grain hollow point with full brass case these aint for bears...

', 1, 0, 3631, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51072, '98-1031626171', 1, 1, '24.237.150.92', 1079245332, 0, 'Shit phill, for that price, I would have bought it too.', 1, 0, 3621, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55846, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1081208644, 0, 'Cool, but Curtis or Dan or someone.. Who ever it was at 6 states. that add leags wont work for me. Because they arn't bent right. And I only plan to go maybe a 2" block in the rear. I don't want it to get to high.. As is it's going to be a bit high for side hilling. Will need wider tires.', 1, 0, 136, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55847, '83-1032374396', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1081208800, 0, '

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Quote (MtnToy @ April 05 2004,09:21)
That's a good write up, just get the rubber hose for airing up. The yellolw ones break pretty easy in the cold. That beats the hell out my ARB compressor that takes forever to fill up the 38. I also heard you can remove a spark plug in-case of emergency, but that's hard core stuff I guess. ANyone ever have to do that. Does it work? Or is it just talk.

there are at least two grades of the yellow hose. Cheap = break easly.
Not cheap= last long time. I like the blue ones that the parker store sells. Have had a yellow one at work for years.

aktinbender

The yellow ones that came with my new compressor are cheap. Just wanted to specify. Are the good yellows rubber or that plastic tubing?', 1, 0, 3990, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51066, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.213.113', 1079242479, 0, 'another', 1, 0, 3655, 1, '2529', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51067, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1079243134, 0, 'Yeah! Learn him now he looks like he just changed the oil in the TJ. $\':16:\'$ That Surmen is going to be a good kid. $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3655, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (55265, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '159.49.254.12', 1080966022, 0, 'Good to see your'e making progress. The redneck rainbow boys will be anxoius to "make your aqaintince" $\':43:\'$ $\':33:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3959, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51069, '114-1042432543', 1, 1, '66.223.150.115', 1079243367, 0, 'Link no workie.......', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51070, '70-1064902524', 1, 1, '209.165.189.18', 1079243826, 0, 'Penguin game

I'm not very crafty when it comes to PC stuff hopefully this one works $\':39:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51063, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.213.5', 1079240809, 0, 'Happy Birthday there Dan', 1, 0, 3647, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51064, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.213.113', 1079242394, 0, 'My son was in garage with me when I was talking to Oddball on phone then on the corner of eye I saw my son waving his hands up and down..I was like what the hell was he doing..Awww dam he just found the oil I drained from wifes jeep..He oiled his cars in it...awwwww', 1, 0, 3655, 1, '2528', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (51062, '101-1075268045', 1, 1, '152.121.33.65', 1079240530, 0, '

Quote

you can get the hinge from badco at 5star

If you can get the spindle from badco, by all means, keep the money local! $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3652, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51061, '101-1075268045', 1, 1, '152.121.33.65', 1079239888, 0, 'I built mine following the design from one of 4X4Iron.com's bumpers. They also sell the same trailer spindle for $40. Just another option for you to check out for more ideas. I don't have any build pics, but here's a couple that will give you an idea. Would be simple to build to fit the Bronco, or anything else for that matter. I chopped off the last 5"-6" or so of the frame to get the bumper tucked in as tight to the body as possible to improve departure angle as well.

\n\n

', 1, 0, 3652, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51059, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.149', 1079238617, 0, 'Hope you have better luck with the Duramax than the rumors I've been hearing drifting down from the slope.', 1, 0, 3648, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51060, '102-1067844422', 1, 1, '66.223.143.177', 1079239356, 0, 'hey you can get the hinge from badco at 5star, i just got one myself there nice and cheap. i dont no how much you found it online for but ill bet you could prob. get it as cheap or cheaper from him, and you would not have to wait for it. just my 2cents. $\':16:\'$ $\':16:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 3652, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51058, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.213.113', 1079238607, 0, 'Man Dan has not replyed...He must be getting some for his B-Day..You go Dan', 1, 0, 3647, 1, '2527', 0, 'image/gif'), (51057, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.213.113', 1079238382, 0, '

Quote (Chainman @ Mar. 13 2004,19:01)

I did get out on a couple runs early last summer. Great time. Frosty should'a had my "luv child" by now. Aaahhhh good times.

Ohhhhh dam..thats what that noise was....wait that was coming from the cabin...Ohhh dam scott was in there too...I thought that was wolves howling... $\':33:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3645, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51053, '70-1064902524', 1, 1, '209.165.189.18', 1079236605, 0, 'I had a little fun playing and thought I would share. If your score is over 1200 points you get put in a drawing to win something. Just what I was told have no idea what you get. My best score is 905 points.penguin game\n\n

', 1, 0, 3653, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51056, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '208.151.97.162', 1079237141, 0, 'must be air-force humor........ dumb de dumb dumb....', 1, 0, 3639, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51055, '70-1064902524', 1, 1, '209.165.189.18', 1079236919, 0, 'i am now dumber than i was one min ago..... [QUOTE]

I agree', 1, 0, 3639, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51052, '115-1061587628', 1, 1, '209.112.209.242', 1079235282, 0, 'I want to build a new bumper for my '92 Bronco.
I was thinking maybe 3x6 tubing and a swing out carrier.

Any idea where to get the metal at in Anchorage?

I found a place on line that sells a tire carrier pivot that is built from a trailer axle. I will probbaly use that since it wasn't too expensive.

Anyone have any thoughts I should consider before starting this project?

This is my inspiration: Bronco Rear Bumper', 1, 0, 3652, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51051, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.147.12', 1079234058, 0, 'Worst trip same place as the best. Coming back from the Middle fork by the Swede lake trails.
This trip was BC...before chains...235X75-15 all terrains. The spare...215X70-15...why would a fella tell ya what size the spare was? Cuz I used it. Bald tire...Bald as Brentt's head. All I had going for me was a hi-lift jack. That I used a few times getting out. My wife smacked her head on the roll bar getting in the jeep. She fell flat as a pancake. Big concusion. Vomit, naseau and 10 mile back in the trail...300 miles from Anchor town. And then it started raining. There I am with my semi-consious spouse trying to keep momentum and yet not smack her around any more...That was the last time I did a run with a BS spare, without chains, without a winch, without a first aid kit, come to think of it that was the last run I did with my wife $\':43:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3646, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51049, '75-1035339162', 1, 1, '136.226.254.148', 1079233206, 0, 'DONT CRY ITS 75 BELOW UP HERE ON THE SLOPE AT LEAST YOU CAN WORK ON YOUR RIG $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3651, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51050, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.147.12', 1079233317, 0, 'My family does a camp out at Tangle Lake every year. Way back on the Denali Highway by Paxson. Lots of trails back there, Dickie lake, Middle fork and so on. There is a camp spot back by a bend in the river. Fly fishing to die for. Perfect camp spot. Fresh air, fire wood, clean water and bear the size of Honda's. What more do you need.

I did get out on a couple runs early last summer. Great time. Frosty should'a had my "luv child" by now. Aaahhhh good times.', 1, 0, 3645, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51048, '71-1070691655', 1, 1, '209.112.139.56', 1079232674, 0, 'FYI all, in my nieghborhood they are walking in the houses during the day and stealing sheit. I keep my doors locked with kids and all, I dont want them to see me killing anyone.

I would have tried to get some I.D. or purged some info from the kid.', 1, 0, 3632, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51046, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1079232080, 0, 'So here I sit in the middle of March, with a frickin snow drift forming on my new pickup. Yes I said snowdrift. As in we are in the middle of yet another blizzard.

No wonder the indians traded all this land for a keg of whiskey and a 5 gallon pail of pretty beads.....That is all this place is worth!

Well atleast now I know what a frozen Hell feels like. Won't catch me offguard when Nate post's pictures of him actually waking up on time for a run or Phildo not getting stuck 33 times in 200 meters......', 1, 0, 3651, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51047, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.147.12', 1079232380, 0, 'Nice and warm up here...sun is a shinin...breakup's comin $\':32:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 3651, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51043, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '209.112.213.113', 1079227832, 0, 'Ive had my Stock power steering pump for 4 years..no probs
(KNOCK ON WOOD) with the 36's now 38's', 1, 0, 3608, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51044, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '12.104.79.33', 1079229826, 0, 'Brook I do have to say one of the only reasons I have my 12,000 is because of the killer deal I got on it. I was looking for the HS9500 when I bought the M12,000. Was at northern and Ed walked out and said he had one for $500 sitting in the back. So I got me a winch for 1/3 of the new price.', 1, 0, 3621, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51042, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.147.26', 1079227414, 0, 'Picked up the motor today.
Got the gas tank and since my tank is mounted in the tub...it will fit fine. Cut out the cat/muffler with sensors. Some exhaust will have to be purchased new, since the roll over damaged parts. The Power steering pump was also damaged, so I'll be getting a new one.
The Data port Badco mentioned is a biatch to get out...so I'm buying the whole harness, under dash inside and out($200). They will pull it and I'll get it in a few days. By buying the entire harness I'll also get anything that looks like a computer/sensor etc. The 2 bills will save much IM trouble later, I think.
Questions:
1.The oil pan is slightly dented. Does any one know if a 4.2 liter oil pan fits the 4.0? They look the same.
2. Since the power steering pump is toast...Do the stock TJ pumps hold up OK with 35-37 tires? (Jerry, others?)

Any one curiuos about the TJ...5 speed, dana 35.
Also those folk at Hilltop were great to work with. They were sincere in trying to get me everything needed for IM.

I'm into it for just under $2000(so far). But That seems good since I've got the whole harness, computer, complete motor, gas tank w/fuel pump, exhaust, alternator, VSS sensor, oxygen sensors, OBDIII computer w/data port, airbox, Evap cannister purge thingy, clutch fan and since it came with air conditioning... I'll will have onboard air.

Thanks for all the feedback\n\n

', 1, 0, 3608, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51040, '115-1041846588', 1, 1, '24.237.141.135', 1079225754, 0, '

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ Mar. 12 2004,04:54)

Quote (Chainman @ Mar. 11 2004,22:32)

That pic is coming up the first good hill at King River...right.

Yes and my choice of driving lines is possibly the worst. All because Kris called me a pussy. Damn my testosterone!

Slats I didn't realize you had such a good view of the roll. Possibly the best seat in the house.

well, second best! $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3613, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51039, '116-1078526785', 1, 1, '24.237.215.172', 1079225595, 0, 'In comparison how does the jeep 4x4 system work and what makes it better? I noticed it's got some vacuum lines going to the front wheels when I was doing some brake work but I've also noticed that in 2 wheel drive the front driveline still spins going down the road.

-tibim', 1, 0, 3616, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51037, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.147.26', 1079224991, 0, 'Happy birthday $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3647, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51038, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.147.26', 1079225141, 0, 'ooohhhh pretty.', 1, 0, 3648, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51036, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '208.151.97.162', 1079224646, 0, 'Name Brand.......... I just use an allen wrench and pry up on the hub against the rim...... seems to work every time for me. make sure and re-grease the hubs before you put them back in whenever you take them out..

Project Airborne-Ranger as Dan puts it..... is a nightmare.... you can go to "Best of 2003" in the general discusion thread and see a picture of what my truck looks like now...... it's not pretty...... It's back on all 4's now, and runs...... but needs lots of body work plus the SAS. $\':38:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3616, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (52229, '83-1058696111', 1, 1, '64.4.229.132', 1079739055, 0, 'Well I guess that 17 yrs. is damn near 15 yrs. but who's counting. Observations from fleet vehicles: In an apparent attempt to cut down on unsprung weight Chevys went a little smaller than Ford and Dodge on front brakes, expect to go through them a little more often than the others. Since you're considering a diesel I would have to guess at things like transmissions. If you want a manual the NV5600 6-speed in the Dodge is the way to go. If you want an auto the Allison is the better way to go. As far as ride is concerned the IFS is the best ride although I think that compared to the '03 and newer Dodges the difference is small and the road feel of the Chevy is kind of disconnected compared to the Dodge. As far as the engines are concerned the Cummins is arguably the most durable. I would stay away from the '03 6.0 Fords as it seems to be a crap shoot on whether or not you'll get one that is trouble free. If I were going to buy a new one I would get the Dodge hands down. If I were going to buy one a couple years old I would look for the best deal on one that is optioned the way you want.

Gus', 1, 0, 3757, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51035, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '208.151.97.162', 1079223862, 0, 'Happy B-day Dan! $\':1:\'$

Shrek........ damn haven't heard Dan's old nickname in a long long time!!!!!', 1, 0, 3647, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (51033, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.126', 1079223188, 0, 'i took my clutch apart and cleaned it real well when i got my winch and it seems to free spool 80% of the time and if it dont if go forward then reverse it seems to jar it loose', 1, 0, 3621, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (50000, '75-1073533035', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1078765941, 0, 'Need a Winch? Kodiak Off Road Equipment supplies all the latest and greatest that Warn has to offer.

16.5ti Latest in recreational winches from Warn. Offers a LED display right in the handle to let you know if your working it to hard (not likely) and need to let it cool down. Also the gearbox is Sealed better to keep out the Knik Juice! New Motor drives the winch for fast a reliable service.

Visit our complete line at Kodiak Off Road', 1, 0, 3568, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (54627, '114-1067308606', 1, 1, '209.112.218.140', 1080795945, 0, 'I dont think that he was in an club. He is in the states now and he has a video coming out soon, it should be pretty sick.

Quote

Quote (98Taco @ Mar. 31 2004,16:18)
I don't need a sled to get up the hill.

But what fun is that?

I agree.', 1, 0, 3883, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (49995, '75-1073533035', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1078764843, 0, 'Yes we can easily accomidate Leangths up to 500ft. Pm me for a pricequote on those leangths. I would also like to know the application just out of curiosity.

KORE', 1, 0, 3527, 18, NULL, NULL, NULL), (50057, '69-1063231806', 1, 1, '209.112.208.230', 1078798491, 0, 'ahh.... I'll just go get new ones.... They probably won't be OME due to the money but at least they'd be new....', 1, 0, 3556, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (49993, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1078762053, 0, '

Quote (69travelall @ Mar. 07 2004,22:07)

Hey, wait..major brain fart...

So ya going to cut that out for me grant:) To bad you can't put all the detail I had on it in. Oh well

I think I will go with a whole new peice. And not half ass that one in.', 1, 0, 136, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (49994, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1078763304, 0, 'Whats your problem CB not getting your daily dose if beer over there. How is the TCN thing going', 1, 0, 3544, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37880, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.56', 1057734262, 0, 'onetone knows what he is talkin about it will come out of there one way or anothor some one will pay for it i dont know who but get ahold of matanuska towing they can get it you and if they dont want to deal with it PM me i know a guy that lives in Palmer that get most of them out he has pulled manny riggs out of the kink', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37881, '65-1036297371', 1, 1, '24.237.125.164', 1057768823, 0, 'I need to contact some people here and see if the equipment can be made available, Brent I think that if this happens we should sort of plan it. I think everyone has some great ideas but not too many people have large scale recovery experience. I am thinking wrecker either 5ton or hemmit. I don't think many other people have experince with these pieces of equipment. I think our biggest challenge will be ensuring safety of the hook up team. The recovery once hooked up is not a worry with equipment this large. If the jeep is truley stuck into the silt it may get ripped in half but some portion of it will come out. I will also need who ever the owner is to check into the laws for impact to evironment and such. It may just be better off to contact fish and game and tell them the plan then try to sneek out and get it. But let me see if its doable from the equipment stand point first.
Sounds like curtis is in, If I can get ahold of this equipment we won't have to wait for the water to go down.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37882, '102-1057400310', 1, 1, '24.237.42.127', 1057827490, 0, 'So did you guys end up going? If so how did it go? If not Tomarrow?', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57499, '102-1033711393', 1, 1, '209.193.39.197', 1081816164, 0, 'I got a good idea. remove everything from the scout except the rear axle.

Install a yj frame, body and tub.

Wheel on, and do a shackle reversal while youre at it...', 1, 0, 4146, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57500, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '143.214.160.69', 1081817435, 0, 'good stuff Trevor. $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 4145, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (49990, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.220.107.185', 1078751290, 0, 'I think I have that damn song on a old ass cadence tape somewhere. Something about waiting till your buddy drifts asleep....There is enough spoonin to go around. I know Ryan might even jump it to show us how the Corps does it.

Actually maybe Ryan and Speedo (no there is a picture!) could compare spoonin notes from the Old and New Corps....', 1, 0, 3519, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (52253, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '209.112.208.116', 1079746313, 0, 'I did the same after I got a few stolen. I have 3 or 4 shackles in the jeep, so I just hook another one to it.', 1, 0, 3750, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (49992, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.21.208.222', 1078760615, 0, 'That is a nice looking bumper! $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3564, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37879, '102-1057400310', 1, 1, '24.237.42.127', 1057742127, 8, 'Okay this is the rubicon kid. and No I didn't nescessarily(?) lie to my dad I just didn't tell the whole story. But I finally came clean and told him most of it later. I had all the fluids gone through and cleaned up the jeep and it is like new. Once I reinstall the winch and get a new cable I could probably go out. let me know what you guys come up with.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37877, '65-1050720934', 1, 1, '24.237.61.59', 1057712980, 0, 'Sounds like you guys need to get a cat out there to pull that jeep out. You could still save it mabey if you can get a nice big cat out there.

Mabey its not worth it, sounds like it was pretty bad, glad you guys are all ok.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37878, '109-1050362541', 1, 1, '208.157.230.66', 1057705793, 4, 'My wife says from now on I have to ride to work on a 10-speed Schwinn $\':5:\'$ .

Next time I'll wearing a dry suit when I cross the creek $\':14:\'$

That's a JOKE. There will NEVER be another attempt by me to get across there. That "creek" is sick!', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37875, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, 'unknown', 1057807067, 0, 'I'm also out. Tonight we've got a short handout, but the lecturer is going REALLY slowly; it's looking like I'll be here until 9:00.

RWC', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37876, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1057852267, 0, 'Fun time last night, even though we dident get it out. If only the river was a little lower. I should be in again this weekend. The computer here at work makes a very soothing sound that makes you want to sleep..... $\':17:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37874, '65-1034207668', 1, 1, '24.237.160.124', 1057778730, 0, 'God dang! i'm gonna miss out on the chaos again! $\':9:\'$
wish i could run out there with you Josh but i gotta drive the boss's '02 Chevy 3500 to soldotna friday night (oh, darn); the leather seats and crew cab beckon. $\':13:\'$
at least i'm making $12/hour at this job working full time. $\':18:\'$
wish i could go, but i'm sure that enough people will show up, cuz that's just the way things go in this great 4x4 community.
good luck everybody and be safe.

Peace out\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37871, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.212.77', 1057725671, 0, 'So is there going to be a rescue???
I have the week off so I can help, but you'll have to forgive me if I park aways away from the bank... LOL
Let me know, I'd be glad to help.

Hey AZ/CJ I'd suspect no one will even know what the 6grid is... I can get some Long/Lat of the general area but it should not be hard to find... Metal creek is the one we crossed when it was frozen this past winter...

Chaz\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37872, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1057725956, 0, 'i have the cooridinats on my gps, im sure i marked were the jeep was or some were close too it. btw im not sure if im going to be able to finish up the recovery part of the write up by tonight i gotta go to sleep soon and wake up early. Later Josh\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37873, '100-1056133572', 1, 1, '205.140.85.254', 1057794096, 0, 'Just a small point - Glacier rivers often are highest at the END of the day - just when everyone has time to get off work, I know. But starting at 2am, getting there by 6-7, being done before noon would be good - if it can be arranged. A couple more days, it's the weekend, less of a time crunch for all concerned.

OneTonCJ - you talked to the F&G Game, you post this:
And for your protection explain to this guy what you are fixing to attempt. And the number is 761-3856.

Explain? Protection?

Edit: you mean like file a flight plan? Makes sense - look what can happen.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37869, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.212.77', 1057777485, 1, 'Count me in,
This is getting more interesting as the day goes on.
I don't have much of anything to do anyhow.
Brentt, give me a ring.

Chaz', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37870, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '209.165.147.145', 1059668068, 0, 'Josh just tryed to get out and lend a hand and he's just as bad off as the lost Nissan & TJ! IMO- That TJ should have made it across! Take another look at the vid and look at all the hang time he had to work tward the next sand bar! Did he freez up and let the water take him and his passengers for a creek tour? Josh, I hope all work's out for you and you get a good running truck in the end. $\':4:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37868, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.226.141', 1059551276, 0, '

Quote (UtChaz @ July 29 2003,23:41)

Sorry Mad,
I didn't mean to upset ya. Words typed here seem to trigger a lot of defensive emotions.
Sled is right; it’s a bit tense lately. Especially seeing we (as a board) lost 2 vehicles, totaled a Dodge, and has had a few rolls and so on, just in this season. Such is the way of the sport though.

Can't we all just get along???
Screw it... Lets $\':52:\'$ everyone instead...

Chaz

Nah Chaz.. Not you or the winch thing at all.. That didn't bother me. It's everything on this board it seems. Alot of the newbs get attacked.. which only serves to piss them off and drive them away.

Oh well.. $\':52:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37867, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.10.61', 1059547319, 1, 'Sorry Mad,
I didn't mean to upset ya. Words typed here seem to trigger a lot of defensive emotions.
Sled is right; it’s a bit tense lately. Especially seeing we (as a board) lost 2 vehicles, totaled a Dodge, and has had a few rolls and so on, just in this season. Such is the way of the sport though.

Can't we all just get along???
Screw it... Lets $\':52:\'$ everyone instead...

Chaz', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37866, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1059494685, 0, '

Quote (Josh @ July 28 2003,13:10)

I agree that probably has been the least smartest thing i have done so far in my life, but i have learned from it. For all the people that keep going out there and trying to cross the river, watch the river becuase it changes so much. Even in the couple hours we were on the other side. IT had risen and changed enough to were we couldnt cross in the same spots we came across before. So watch you self and take it slow if you go out there to play.

also i got a call from my adjuster, there not going to total it out that shop told them all i needed was a my engine and trani to be flushed. Im going to make sure they stand by that statement nad give me warrenty incase my engine decides to die in the next thousand miles. Im not sure what im going to do with my truck now, i still have that 14 bolt but not sure if im going to swap it or do what now.

Josh, Just a bit of advice and information to try and get you what you are owed for your Dodge.

You DO NOT have to use the adjuster or shop that your insurance tells you to. That my friend is the law. Hell Badco could do the estimate for you. It is YOUR RIGHT to take the vehicle to whoever you want for the repair and to get second opinions.

Your rig is totaled. You need to get a estimate from a person who understandes the glacial silt situation. Not some dickhole looking to make money on a engine and tranny flush. JMO though.

Got StateFarm?', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37865, '65-1036297371', 1, 1, '24.237.115.125', 1057724354, 0, 'Does anyone else have any experience with swift water rescue or arctic mountaineering? I don't know what the creek is going to do with the warm weather and all, probably get deeper and faster but if a recovery is attempted it would probably be a good idea to put in a static line upstream and bolay down to the jeep to get cables attached. As for retreaval best bet would be heavy rig with big winch and snatch block hooked to another heavy rig secured to a BIG dead mans anchor (same concept as the burried tire). I have some equipment available but my vehicle is way too small for this. A 2.5 ton or 5 ton with a pto winch would work or a 5 ton wrecker. Let me ask around and see if one can be made available. Can anyone give me a 6 digit grid to last known location of the jeep?\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37864, '74-1059278789', 1, 1, '66.41.22.11', 1059496023, 0, 'so what actually happened to thew dodge josh? Sucked in water?', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37859, '83-1043025125', 1, 1, '24.237.25.170', 1060031765, 0, 'Almost hurts to view...

Water crossings are bad, m'kay.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37860, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.56.26', 1057721720, 0, 'Alright, sounds like some deep shit happened here. The only thing I see that was kinda B.S. was the Rubicon kid lying to his dad about what happened to the Jeep. Let me know what is going on. I can get a couple of beater rigs perhaps together to help out.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37861, '114-1032462701', 1, 1, '143.213.132.69', 1059093629, 0, 'I have a zodiac with a 25hp. If it is upside down you could at least get the tires off.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37862, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1059369724, 0, 'here it is, upload speeds might get slow as with the meet and greet video so if any one wants to host it on there site thats cool with me.

right click, save as.

http://www.visualentertainment.com/~upload/stuk.mpg\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37863, '112-1059497734', 1, 1, '24.237.42.61', 1059529982, 0, 'All I can say its that just nuts trying to cross with the water being that high and fast.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37858, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1059494951, 0, '

Quote (bgreen @ July 28 2003,18:44)

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ July 28 2003,07:43)

You guys are fucking idiots.

Brentt: you know damn well that if it had been Kurt broke down out there, you would have been out there in a heart beat.

Without a doubt.

And I would be liable to having myself labeled as a stupid fucking retard that went out there and recovered all those vehicles.........lol $\':7:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37857, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1059094642, 0, 'I got a dry suit if any one is going out to salvage parts just let me know when. I can go and do some salvaging I will even bring my water wings.LOL $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37856, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '66.58.220.67', 1058838864, 0, '

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ July 21 2003,18:40)

Oh and I am a dick. Bring it.

True, true! $\':22:\'$ $\':22:\'$ $\':22:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37855, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1058838052, 0, 'Nissan dude got 2 grand over what he paid for the nissan in the first place! Nice going dude!

Oh and I am a dick. Bring it.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37854, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '64.4.227.137', 1057713812, 0, '

Quote (Alaskan_4x4 @ July 08 2003,17:09)

Sounds like you guys need to get a cat out there to pull that jeep out. You could still save it mabey if you can get a nice big cat out there.

Mabey its not worth it, sounds like it was pretty bad, glad you guys are all ok.

you suply the cat and they will be happy. lol $\':22:\'$ $\':22:\'$ $\':22:\'$

just messin with ya man. $\':50:\'$

nate', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37853, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1059773102, 0, 'Well the shop is doing the work and i dont know what they are doing aperantly they are going to warrenty what they doing. I had no say in this, i guess thats what i get for not having my name on the title. 2 more months and im 18 and get my rig on my name. Its going to be a while till i get my truck back on the trail, i still owe some money on it so im going to pay it off before it take it out again. Its been a rude awaking realizing that i might of had to pay for my rig even if it was still in the middle of the river and had insurance not covered it.

My parents dont seem to under stand the extent of the damage also they think that the engine is getting rebuilt. I cannot confirm this because the shop has been giving me the run around about getting a list of the work they want to do. Which already gives me bad fealings about the place, aside from when i went down there the first day they were working on it and having the mechanic be an ass to me.

But i guess thats what i get, im still under their roof so they own me still. I havent recieved there backing very much in this whole situation, and i dont blame them i was the one stuiped enough to drive in to a river. it started with the happy hooker not doing shit and them not backing me up, and now it this.

Well im done ranting and i feal like a little bitch for still having to deal my parents still. Later Josh\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37852, '74-1059278789', 1, 1, '66.41.22.11', 1059448944, 0, 'Who owns the Dodge that was towed away in the Video? Good looking truck, trail Ready!', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37851, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.49.56', 1059797891, 1, '

Quote (Badcop @ Aug. 01 2003,18:59)

You know chaz should be the one to listen too alittle bit

Listen to what Brian?
My insurance, State Farm, said nothing we pay for is based on the vehicle going offroading... just the cost of replacement of parts.
Also the guy said they would have covered me if it'd be me in my Jeep...

Chaz
$\':52:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37849, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '209.165.147.145', 1058083654, 0, 'We need more help! Let's give it one last shot. $\':50:\'$ We need atleast 3 rigg's on the dig sight, and strong willing people to help guid the Jeep/truck's from bar to bar. It will be a big challenge but with a large groupe effort we can pull this off with lot's of hand's and shovel's. $\':4:\'$ Input?', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37850, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1059793179, 0, 'You know chaz should be the one to listen too alittle bit, I called Geico and asked just for geewiz, andim not sure for modified dodge, but all Jeeps carry a OHV clause that requires them to have a higher insurance coverage. While I was at it they also informed me that most (not all) 4x4 modified (lift, tires, lockers, etc) can also carry the same OHV clause as does my truck, you might want to geewiz them with the OHV idea, just my .02.

Also, damn this thread is long. LOL:p', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37848, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1058065300, 0, '

Quote

Badcop I dont care how many tow straps and veicles you have, you will have to cross that river. When we were out there the other night the river is damn near 3/4 of a mile across and really fast and getting deeper the farther we went.. It was getting to be waste deep and it was running so fast you could hardly stand up. Crossing the river is a major risk. If you crossed you could not tow the jeep across untill the river has changed drasticly. And in order to even see the jeep or the nissan you better have a good pair of binocs or a spotting scope. You cannot see the jeep with the bare eye and you have a hard time seeing the nissan across the river. I believe AKE is heading back out saturday after the parade. I am not possitive the specifics but it has been discussed. I would not recomend crossing the river unless there are alot of other veicles there that are capable of recovering you. I dont want to see anyone else stuck out there. Those are just my thoughts. I really dont want another rig stuck in the drink.

Well Im in, I gotta see this, as long as I dont catch anymore shit.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37847, '65-1034207668', 1, 1, '209.112.209.101', 1059792598, 0, 'man, you can borrow one of my bikes.
it's all downhill from your house anyways $\':11:\'$
but really, hope the truck is good to go soon, or at least by the time my rig is ready for serious action. think of the trouble we can into then, lol! $\':50:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37846, '100-1056133572', 1, 1, '66.58.182.211', 1059551141, 0, 'Just my two cents worth, I have been surprised from the get-go the insurance was going to cover any rig out there - that being said, there might be some Good Samiritan clause making them pay up, and since they have agreed to it at all, they may be stuck with it. Kind of like if you pay a dollar of a 10,000 bill, you admit the bill is yours and legally owe the other $9,999. Just laymans point of view here, I have no legal background. I am really, really glad you are likely to get paid back for the cost of the tow, and the rig repairs. I hope they pay up in full.
As far as totalled, I do know from my experience as a dealer technician that a truck that dropped through the ice a few years back had it's warranty voided, fully. Brand new Crew Cab Powerstroke. Every computer in the truck died, and it constantly had to come back into the shop for electrical trouble.....and it smelled like glacier silt,too. The continueing trouble of fried electrical systems is something you may have to argue to get covered, too.
I hope you win out in the end.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37845, '100-1056133572', 1, 1, '66.58.182.211', 1059372041, 0, 'goddam.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37844, '112-1059497734', 1, 1, '24.237.42.61', 1059645620, 0, 'Bad, Yes I have spent lots of weekends out there playing. I have crossed the creeks but I have never tried crossing them when they are that high or moving that fast. I wasn't ragging on them to be mean, or to make fun of the bad misfortune that happened while trying to help a friend. Sorry you took what I said offensively. As for the pic you linked, if you look close there were tracks that would indicate the mud wasn't bad. All I was doing was turning around when I sunk. I know I'm new to this board and not looking to bash on any one or be bashed on. Just here to have fun and keep up with whats going on up here after I move. Josh I hope that everything works out in your favor.
Chris', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37843, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.213.176', 1059635738, 1, 'The rules generally aren't different from agency to agency...
The persona I spoke to at SF said it was a combination of Federal & State laws that all insurance companies "Had" to follow. So unless your coverage sucked so bad it put Linda Lovelace to shame I'd say they're trying to F@#K you...
As for your mom, well you know her better than I do but just tell her this simple thing... "Mom I'm just trying to do the right thing..." Insurance companies have to operate by a set of rules, same as all the rest of us and from what I'm hearing they are trying to get by with the bare minimum and bullying you some to get you to take what "They" want you to do.
SCREW THEM!!! Take it over to Badco and let him look at it, perhaps he'll know someone who will handle it if he can not...

Chaz', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37842, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1059634255, 0, 'im getting a list of what the one shop is wanting to do tommarrow then ill decide if im going to take it to another shop. My mother still thinks that im retarded for wanting to take it to another shop and still thinks that they wont cover it if i "make a big deal about it". ill figure ouy waht im going to do tomarrow. Thanks for all the help, state farm isnt my insurace company . ill call that number chaz and see if the rules and stuff are similar to my company or what the deal is. once again thanks a lot. Later', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37841, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.119.201', 1057631952, 0, 'Josh,
1) Glad you and everyone else is ok. Being dead can't be too much fun.
2) Kudos to you for having the balls and selflessness to go out there and help someone in need. Unfortunately you paid a price.
3) I am sure that you will get back on the road in no time, hopefully Nissan guy will cough a few bucks to help.
4) Boggers, not good for silt I would imagine.

Oh, well, many lessons learned. As long as everyone is alive, then we will all be ok. If it was anywhere but Knik, I would have showed up....Unfortunately I have too much time and money tied up in my Junk to destroy it out in the nasty stuff.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37840, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1059516245, 0, 'Im getting a list of what they want to do for repairs but i guess they seem to think that 5k will be enough to fix it. I guess they got my truck running with a new starter, i dont know how well and also seem to think that a simple flush and it will be back to normal. My mom who is dealing with my insurance adjuster seems to think that it wont do much good to take it to another shop, but im not sure. if i do take it to another shop im going to have to pay for a new estimate, luckly its looking like im getting my money back from the towing. 5 star sound like a good shop? Badco how late you going to be at your shop today, i have to go take some test and after that would it be cool if i were to swing by?', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37839, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1057805464, 0, 'I am a no go as well. it is 1900 now and the wife just got home. Sorry guys, It ain't in the cards for me tonight.

Personally I would wait until tomarrow so that everyone could be a little more prepared.......', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37838, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1059778877, 0, 'my parents are some of nicest people in the world, aleast my mother is :) I figure they are doing this becuase they feel its the best way, although i do dissagree with them.

I guess i can look at it in a good way since ill be walking places for a while till my trucks back so i can get in shape and ill have somthing to haul sleds around this winter.

also thanks to all you guys that helped in this ordeal and all of you that have offered to help. I really apriciate it and if there is a way i can help you in the future just ask and ill see what i can do. Thanks, Josh.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37837, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1059531776, 0, '

Quote (parnelli @ July 29 2003,18:53)

All I can say its that just nuts trying to cross with the water being that high and fast.

Hmmm, from someone who has crossed that water on many occasions, who are you to be giving opinoin with the choices made by others, me personnaly, I think this picture speaks for itself.

Look At This', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37836, '97-1053383396', 1, 1, '209.112.214.106', 1059809461, 0, '

Quote

also thanks to all you guys that helped in this ordeal and all of you that have offered to help. I really apriciate it and if there is a way i can help you in the future just ask and ill see what i can do. Thanks, Josh.

this WOULD'VE bee a great place to end this thread.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37835, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.226.141', 1059544603, 0, 'This board is really starting to suck lately. Can't say anyhting without having to wonder if someone will throw it right back at you with an attack. What bullshit.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37834, '65-1034207668', 1, 1, '209.112.209.101', 1059543109, 0, 'sleddie and badcop are right on the "don't speak about that which you know nothing about" part.
chaz is right about launching a complaint about the insurance company with the AK attorney general.
josh, my dad has spoken with the AK attorney general a few times and he also has many contacts as far as attorneys go. i'll see ya on the messenger and we can talk more about it there. don't let the insurance screw you! you're paying them to cover your a$$ when you need it covered, so don't take bs from them.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37833, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '69.144.139.22', 1059541170, 0, '

Quote (bgreen @ July 29 2003,18:39)

Enough is enough. Everyone needs to ease up on the personal attacks, and judgemental posts. If you dont have any thing good to add to the thread, keep it to yourself. This isnt the PBB.

This place is beginning to sound like a highschool locker room.

I see you point Bgreen but when peopel come into a thread that is 9 pages long and start doging on what happen thats just BS.

parnelli: you have no room to talk looking at you pics you are just as dumn, and thats nicely put wait till brennt sees you pics. What josh did was VERY big of him he risked his own life and rig to help a fellow wheeler that was in need.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37831, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.10.61', 1059450145, 1, 'Hey Josh,
Don't let this incident ruin your whole wheeling life. Instead remember what it is that happened and learn from it, as it appears you've done. Walk away from it and you're going to hate yourself for it...

Chaz', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37832, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.10.61', 1059539448, 1, 'Josh,

I think the insurance company is full of shieet...
My best advice for the whole thing would be to talk to an attorney. I'd also put in a consumer complaint to the AK Attorney General, Click here for more details.
Perhaps with these two things you'd get a clear picture of what the insurance company will, and is required, to do.

I don't recall you mentioning whom your agent and company is. But I'd certainly ask them what they think 4-wheel drive on a truck of that nature means (Pavement only???). You were on an established trail, I'm sure plenty of us will testify to that, and it was not intentionally done. You had little or no true idea you'd loose your vehicle. Stick to that and they'll back down. Meanwhile I think you need to get your Dad & Mom on your side on this. The insurance company is trying to screw you all, that much is obvious. Perhaps calling around to some other agents of the same company might clarify the situation some.
They CANNOT make you go with whom they recommend, that's against the ethics of the insurance industry. They can however stick to their guns on the appraisal unless whoever is doing the work finds more damage.
Please though, post your agents name and the name of the company also... Phone number also.
I'd like to speak with them personally.

Chaz
$\':52:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37830, '74-1059278789', 1, 1, '66.41.22.11', 1059282473, 0, 'Well a fellow Hello from Minnesota! I read the story and it brings back a few memories form when i had gotten stuck, its a good topic on really preparing your self for the great outdoors, I take it most of you guys had close to bone stock trucks? but i think your stucks was the worst i have ever seen, and how many days was that jeep there? oh yea, wheres the video clips?', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37828, '65-1034207668', 1, 1, '24.237.160.124', 1059495285, 0, 'hey zr2, the big GREEN Dodge Ram belongs to Josh Nadell, he's on this board as Josh.

good to hear about the truck man.

see ya on the messenger.

*edit*
james, read the first 7 pages of this thread and that'll pretty much tell ya the whole deal.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37829, '98-1031626171', 1, 1, '24.237.148.162', 1059532796, 0, 'Enough is enough. Everyone needs to ease up on the personal attacks, and judgemental posts. If you dont have any thing good to add to the thread, keep it to yourself. This isnt the PBB.

This place is beginning to sound like a highschool locker room.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37827, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1059665744, 0, 'Josh,

Please switch insurance companies and find a agent that will actually work for you when this is all done.

I can see were your Mother is coming from. But I agree with Choad, your just trying to do the right thing.

You pay big $$ for your insurance I am sure. You screwed up and need to collect. As long as you were not trying to defraud them in some way, you are entitled to a fair price for your pickup.

You DO NOT have to use the estimate that the Insurance company provides, NOR do you have to use a company on thier "list".

Any reputable mechanics shop should be able to give you a good idea for the damage of the mechanical stuff.

A good body shop should be able to help with all the interior stuff that is surely damaged.

I am sorry to hear that your going through this. State Farm was a peach in my claim I guess you get what you pay for.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37825, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1059522861, 0, 'You do realize that my first offer on the Heep was 4k. WHen I got done it was double that.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37826, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1059524018, 0, '

Quote (JamesZR2 @ July 28 2003,20:57)

Quote (Bronco85 @ July 28 2003,20:33)

Ya Must be trail ready thats what it's heading home on a Flatbed $\':11:\'$

lmao! i did say that in a sarcastic way too!

Well lets see, Phill has earned his right at sarcasm on this board. And those of us who are his friends take it, cause he knows we'll dish it right back at him.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37824, '67-1033255981', 1, 1, '24.237.54.134', 1059522841, 0, '5 star is a great shop... Both Kurt and Ryan know exactly the sort of damage that the silt will do. Let them take a look at it, and listen to their opinion on the matter. If they think that your truck needs more than an engine and tranny flush, its because they're being thorough. They'll make sure you get taken care of.

-Jeremiah', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37823, '66-1031727621', 1, 1, '24.237.164.45', 1059516618, 0, 'Do not let your insurance company dictate anything to you. You have every right to get another estimate. Talk to Badco, and get him to look at it.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37821, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1059083267, 0, 'Murdock, I meant TJ dude sorry for the mix up. We know some of the same people and it was watercooler talk. But you are correct I am a dick.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37822, '97-1031819818', 1, 1, '24.237.50.211', 1059373724, 0, '

Quote (Little Giant @ July 27 2003,23:08)

Quote (Josh @ July 27 2003,22:22)

here it is, upload speeds might get slow as with the meet and greet video so if any one wants to host it on there site thats cool with me.

right click, save as.

http://www.visualentertainment.com/~upload/stuk.mpg

I try not to use expletives on message boards, but after watching that all I can say is
HOLY SHIT!!

yea, that about sims that up.

I really is good no one got hurt, amazing, but good.

aktinbender $\':52:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37820, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1057766089, 0, 'Kris- I am swift water rescue certified and have gone through the Armies H08 identifier school (recovery specialist). I have taken several college class's on Swift water Rafting/kayaking and Hydrolics of moving water (I have a degree in Recreation, so fuck anyone who thinks it is worthless) I would have to get out and see that site for myself to read the river, but I can tell you that it will either rise or the glacier will start to break apart and form a dam and possibly lower the water for a bit.

I would go out and work and even volunteer my trailer to bring it home but I am in NO WAY taking the Chuggy out there.

Let me know if my help is needed.

Edit- I have also gone through the Mountian Warfare school.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37819, '75-1060011402', 1, 1, '24.199.11.99', 1060011578, 0, 'Wow.... all I can say is that it's an amazing story! I got this link probably thirdhand, but I did go through all the posts and have to say everyone is lucky to be in one piece!

Can someone elaborate on the issue of the OHV clause? That's something that appart from me probably quite a few others would like to hear about.

Kejtar', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37816, '102-1033711393', 1, 1, '24.237.116.228', 1059490898, 0, 'Nice video. I cant believe you guys even thought about crossing that water. Hopefully others will learn from it........', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37817, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1059491978, 0, 'Great little clip. I watched in aww. $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37818, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '69.144.139.22', 1059546274, 0, '

Quote (Maddening @ July 29 2003,21:56)

This board is really starting to suck lately. Can't say anyhting without having to wonder if someone will throw it right back at you with an attack. What bullshit.

So very true. some of it is in a joking maner that people cant take. yes im guilty of this as many other people are. i seems like the board is really tense. just my .02

nate $\':25:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37815, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.119.69', 1059452804, 0, 'Brook, he made me build my Jeep the way it is. So you are goddam right his ass would have to be out there dragging a hulk back if necessary!', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37814, '74-1059278789', 1, 1, '66.41.22.11', 1059451020, 0, '

Quote (Bronco85 @ July 28 2003,20:33)

Ya Must be trail ready thats what it's heading home on a Flatbed $\':11:\'$

lmao! i did say that in a sarcastic way too!', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37813, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.219.100', 1059283859, 1, '

Quote (JamesZR2 @ July 26 2003,21:07)

I take it most of you guys had close to bone stock trucks? but i think your stucks was the worst i have ever seen, and how many days was that jeep there? oh yea, wheres the video clips?

Dude, the Jeep and Nissan are still there. I found the Nissan this morning but only think we found the Jeep. Could only scope the Jeep and what I thought was it was only a little less than a foot above the soil line on a sandbar.
Take a peek in the trail reports, I posted a couple of pic's of it all...
The Jeep was not stock but the Nissan was. Just all bad luck and as we say up here, they got Kniked...

Murdock... Where is the viedo??? Seeing he reminded me. I want to see the one of the mudd and so on.

Chaz', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37812, '65-1040931580', 1, 1, '209.193.55.162', 1058555643, 0, 'What ever happened to the Nissan. I don't recall reading anything about it.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37811, '109-1050362541', 1, 1, '208.157.230.66', 1057699402, 12, 'Here is a picture taken on Saturday morning. The water is about a foot lower than when we stuck the jeep on Thursday. All the gravel bars in the background were covered with water and water was flowing completely over the windshield and over about half the soft top (the front half).

Now pour a bucket of ice water in your lap and imagine yourself in the drivers seat...', 1, 0, 2617, 1, '1197', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (37809, '98-1031626171', 1, 1, '24.237.149.179', 1059446670, 0, '

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ July 28 2003,07:43)

You guys are fucking idiots.

Brentt: you know damn well that if it had been Kurt broke down out there, you would have been out there in a heart beat.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37810, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '172.198.23.112', 1059529478, 0, 'well we just got done talking to the insurance company, im going to have to pay for the second estimate. heres what im being told "If i intentually put my vehicle in harms way and if it is not covered for that specific activity insurace does not have to cover it." They are wanting to know why i want it totaled out and why if its going to cost more bring it to that shop. shes doesnt want me to take it to another shop becuase she thinks that the insurace company will not cover it any more and i wont get my truck fixed and i wont get it totaled out and payed for, i will get screwed. also the adjuster said that 5 star wasnt on his "list" what ever that means. also i guess my neibor who i guess owns the local state farm stuff laughed about it and said that they wouldnt even cover it. so im not sure if he was BS'n with me or what.

all this insurance crap is freakn the hell out of me its all contradicting, i was told at first it was no fault for pulling people out but also they say that if i intentally put my self in a situation were i can wreck my vehicle they can not pay my claim.... $\':52:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37808, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '66.58.220.67', 1059427549, 0, 'I used to go down their when we first got here. Now, from this story and other I've heard, I won't be going down their unless it's with a hovercraft! $\':22:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37805, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1059087438, 0, 'so whats goin to happen to all the parts on the jeep? what yard did it get towed to?', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37806, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1059403386, 0, 'You guys are fucking idiots. Thanks for the show. Glad you didn't have to croak in the show.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37807, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1059426652, 0, 'I agree that probably has been the least smartest thing i have done so far in my life, but i have learned from it. For all the people that keep going out there and trying to cross the river, watch the river becuase it changes so much. Even in the couple hours we were on the other side. IT had risen and changed enough to were we couldnt cross in the same spots we came across before. So watch you self and take it slow if you go out there to play.

also i got a call from my adjuster, there not going to total it out that shop told them all i needed was a my engine and trani to be flushed. Im going to make sure they stand by that statement nad give me warrenty incase my engine decides to die in the next thousand miles. Im not sure what im going to do with my truck now, i still have that 14 bolt but not sure if im going to swap it or do what now.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37804, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.243', 1058003444, 0, 'im willing to help but have to ride with someone out there.

Brentt: remember that there are kids at the parade so keep the $\':22:\'$ down. lol

ill have to come say HI or something $\':13:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37803, '102-1057400310', 1, 1, '24.237.42.127', 1057743333, 0, 'Yeah trust me i know he isn't stupid. But I am 21 now and not 16 so I have to take responsibility for my actions.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37802, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1059318308, 0, '

Quote (JamesZR2 @ July 26 2003,21:07)

Well a fellow Hello from Minnesota! I read the story and it brings back a few memories form when i had gotten stuck, its a good topic on really preparing your self for the great outdoors, I take it most of you guys had close to bone stock trucks? but i think your stucks was the worst i have ever seen, and how many days was that jeep there? oh yea, wheres the video clips?

As dumb as these guys were they were still prepared way beyond 99% of the vehicles in Minnisots (sp). Even in stock form.

Remember that there is probably noplace in Minn that even comes close to rival of the Knik. Shit Chugach state part is the size of your whole freaking state.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37801, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1059318128, 0, '

Quote (Josh @ July 27 2003,04:33)

him and i have been playing phone tag about gettin each others video, its been hectic the last 2 weeks and i just got back to town and i might be leaving again. im in the process right now of uploading some video but i have to wait till the sites owner can send me the link to give to you guys to i guess by the time i get up again tomarrow i should be able to post the link. Im going to sleep, later Josh.

send it to me at bamblair@gci.net I will get it hosted post haste.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37800, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1059309197, 0, 'him and i have been playing phone tag about gettin each others video, its been hectic the last 2 weeks and i just got back to town and i might be leaving again. im in the process right now of uploading some video but i have to wait till the sites owner can send me the link to give to you guys to i guess by the time i get up again tomarrow i should be able to post the link. Im going to sleep, later Josh.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37799, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.21.211.190', 1059091748, 0, 'Its still in the river $\':5:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37798, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.124.54', 1058602442, 0, '

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ July 14 2003,07:20)

Quote (MountainJeep @ July 14 2003,06:40)

[/QUOTE]good luck guys, i hope you get that jeep out of that river. i wish i could help out but my parents said i cant go back to knik till i move out of the house...

:p

Exactly. My Dad would have whooped my ass, and I'm not joking. His methods of disipline don't compare to the "tough" TIs in basic.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37797, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.215.148', 1057601718, 1, 'Dude,
That sounds like everything that could go wrong just about did. I'm glad you're sharing it with everyone though. Personally its left an imprint on my mind as to what I should do when I am about to cross a stream.
Thanks for the info and I hope the rig doesn't suffer too much in the clean out. Perhaps someone will be able to get the Jeep out also, if not I'd imagine the insurance will write it off. I was beginning to think we'd have the same thing happening to us when Dan started floating down stream on our Perches run a few weeks back. Lucky though, he got out and it wasn't anywhere near as big of a stream.
Keep writing Josh, and tell those other Nimrods they better put their two cents in.
Chaz
P.S. Try cut and paste with word, then spell check and then put it back on the page, works everytime... $\':50:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37796, '109-1050362541', 1, 1, '208.157.230.66', 1057699081, 0, 'All right, all right, I’ve got to put in my two cents here:

First just a little background. This all started out on Saturday June 28th. A few in-laws were in town and I thought it would be fun to take them out to knik and see how far back we could get to the glacier (we hadn’t been there before). Once we got to metal creek it didn’t look to bad and we headed across without problem. The group consisted of my TJ, a 1970 ¾ ton Ford, and a stock Nissan. The Nissan got stuck & the ford got stuck (see the other posts) but we got the Ford out and got back to town around 6am the next day.

All week I was stressed out knowing my friends truck was stuck out there and hoping no one vandalized it. I didn’t want to go back out there, but I felt responsible for leading him out. No one vandalized the truck and a couple friends flew out and unstuck the Nissan (the silt mud had turned back into concrete) with some jacks, boards, and burlap sacks full of gravel. The clutch was shot so we knew we had to somehow tow/winch the truck back.

So Thursday,July 3 rolls around. Josh was kind enough to offer to help and it looked like we would have an F250 with 37s, my TJ, and Josh’s Dodge Ram on 35” Boggers. It sounded like a few other people were going to show up (where were you badcop?) but no one had definitely said they would be there and no one showed up. My friend with the F250 was called out to fly for the day and wouldn’t be back till 5pm that day.

So we leave the gas station, just the TJ and the Ram. I’m only going 60-65 since that’s the speed limit and the jeep isn’t quite as stable with the sway bars disconnected (am I the only one that has a problem getting them connected again?). We get out to Knik and notice the river and Jim creek are higher than last time we were out. It’s not looking good but we head to metal creek to see how it is. It’s a beautiful day, everything is going smoothly and we cross metal creek without any problems. I should note that the creek had COMPLETELY changed since we had last crossed (6 days before). On Saturday the creek was a bunch of skinny deep sections, on Thursday, it consisted a few broad sections that weren’t as deep. All in all it was looking good for us.

We arrived at the Nissan, winched it across the freaky silt/mud and noticed the tires weren’t spinning. Took off the tires and chiseled out the mud that was packed into everything. Josh offered to tow the Nissan so I scouted the easiest path and he followed. We arrive at the edge of Metal Creek (for those who haven’t seen it, it is a flood zone about 400 yards wide and consists of a braided creek running through this area). We make a few minor crossings and then hit the widest spot, about 150ft wide. I was trying to follow our tracks back as much as possible, but this is difficult because you have to cross at about a 45-degree angle downstream because the water is moving rapidly.

Thinking back, we drove ourselves into a trap. Crossing the creek towards the glacier was easy because we could drive at an angle downstream the whole way, but coming back we got to a spot where we had to travel up stream at an angle. The creek hadn’t been that deep and I thought we could make it with the jeep. Plus, it looked like our only option. We headed up stream at an angle but soon the current became to strong and began to push the jeep until we were head slightly downstream. It still looked doable and the last thing you want to do is stop in that creek (instantly washes the ground out from under your tires and sticks you). I keep on it and we suddenly hit a deep spot, get through it and hit an underwater berm that pitches the jeep up at an angle and almost rolls us. I steer back into the creek to keep from rolling and hit a DEEP fast spot. Next thing I know the jeep shuts off and we are floating fast downstream! Someone in the Ram is yelling on the radio and the jeep spins 180 degrees so its facing up stream. Still floating, I’m trying to at least steer with the front tires but the creek has taken control. My friend who’s visiting from Kansas is in the passenger seat and my brother is in the back. Suddenly we hit an underwater berm and we stop, facing upstream. Water is pouring over the windshield and all I can see is dark gray water. Ice cold glacier runoff is streaming thought the heater vents, the door seals, and through the back over the tailgate(The soft top didn’t have the rear window in). For a second we all sit there stunned, then I lay my seat down and we all crawl out to stand on the tailgate. As I’m crawling back I see my dry clothes bag float out of the jeep and race downstream. The river is ROARING. Someone grabs the radio that’s floating and tries to call the Dodge. Radio doesn’t work. The jeep is shifting and feels like it will roll at any time. I tell them I’m kicking off my shoes and going to swim to shore (I was sure the jeep was going to roll and catch us all). My brother keeps a cool head and tells me to hold for a minute. The Dodge gets to the shore about 40ft from us and we try and yell to each other but can’t hear anything over the deafening sound of the creek. Dale (my friend from Kansas) prays for us and I’m thinking that this is it. That water is freezing and its up around our calfs and we are standing on the tailgate. There is no way we can swim to the shore 40’ away. The water is just moving too fast and we will probably last a minute swimming our bodies shut down.

We try throwing a rope to shore but no luck. Josh risks his rig and drives out closer to the jeep. The water is pushing is truck around and we still can’t get a rope to them. The Dodge is starting to get sucked down by the water moving the rocks out from under his tires and he pulls out barely. It was a gutsy move and we appreciated his risk. We’ve been standing on the jeep for maybe 10 minutes, feels like eternity. Time to swim. I tell my bro to tell my wife I love her and I jump from the spare tire towards shore, expecting to swim like mad. I hit bottom! The water is thigh deep! I can barely stand its moving so fast but my brother tries to throw me a rope so we can hook a winch on it. There’s too much drag, I’m pulled under and suddenly my legs barely work. I scramble up and stumble to shore, thankful to be alive! My brother jumps and tries to get the rope and same thing happens, sucked under and then gets scrambles to shore. Everybody gets to the beach and we are in a bit of a daze. What just happened?

We ring out our clothes, pile in the truck, and head out. The Dodge gets stuck as you can read in Josh’s post and now we are screwed again. We are about 20 miles back from any paved road and it’s going to be a long time before someone comes to help. Josh was well prepared (luckily, since all my stuff got washed out of the jeep) and we try to winch out his truck. No luck. The creek has him. I’ve got to say that this guy is a hard worker! While we were digging a hole to bury his tire in (as an anchor to winch to) he was working with the high lift on his truck (in the freezing water), keeping his truck running by pulling off the air intake hose and running it higher, and working with the winch. I was impressed.

Well, we grab all the survival stuff out of the truck and hike out of the flood zone, crossing a few more sections of the creek. By the time we get to the other side, our feet are totally numb and Justin has lost a shoe and fell in once. We ring out the clothes, put a few dry clothes on and hike on. A few stay on the beach to gather firewood while we hike up to call friends. The cell phones luckily work up on the hill and I reach my wife. I married a good one and she organizes our rescue. My friend with the white F250 just landed and is headed out along with Jeremy in the Rubicon (yes, his dad’s). The Rubicon was JUST out of the shop (they were having all the fluids changed). A big thanks goes to his dad for letting him come rescue us (again).

While we are waiting, we build a fire, dry out a little, and set up a makeshift shelter out of an old tarp we found. It rains a little but not too bad. Eat some hot links that Josh had brought and try and joke to forget that we’ve just left $40k in vehicles in the middle of a creek. Among other things, the jeep lost a digital camera, digital video camera, gps, sunglasses, 2 goretex jackets, 2 cell phones, 2 backpacks, rain gear, hiking boots, ect. Most of the stuff just floated away.

Anyhow, my friends show up about 4 hours after we called and they brought lots of food and dry clothes. A big thanks goes to Marcus and Jeremy for coming out there as soon as they heard. We jump in the truck and jeep and take off, arriving home sometime early morning. What a nightmare. The Nissan is still on the wrong side of the creek, Joshes truck is messed up (luckily its back at his house), and my jeep is still in the creek.

But we are all ALIVE! Woo Hoo! But not for long, now I have to tell the wife the jeep is gone $\':7:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37794, '109-1050362541', 1, 1, '208.157.230.66', 1059091839, 0, 'Badcop, the jeep is still out there! Read my post again. They couldn't even get to it. If you want some parts, grab your scuba gear and head to metal "creek"!', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37795, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.21.211.190', 1059092473, 0, 'I got dibs on the flares! $\':4:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37793, '83-1058696111', 1, 1, '12.21.214.10', 1058697612, 0, 'My first time on this site, I found the story interesting and just a little too familiar. I've
been to the glacier several times and have heard of Metal Creek eating up many rigs over
the years. I have seen 4-wheelers on the far side of Metal Creek and I've seen days when
I wouldn't have tried it with a D10 Cat. Glad to hear that everyone made it out ok. I
don't go up there any more, the silt is just to hard on everything. I've had to walk out
(flat tire), spend the night at Jim Creek (dropped the front end through the ice), and I've
been on a few rescue missions. I even went along as a trail guide during one of the Jeep
Jamborees that was up here when we took a bunch of journalists to the glacier. The
smallest tires I've had when I've gone to the glacier has been 44 inch Mudders.

Gus', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37792, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '24.237.129.203', 1058004071, 0, 'As soon as I get the starter situation nailed down *crosses fingers* tomorrow morning I'm down to give it one last shot, I still believe with enough daylight we can get that thing out, we can run a sump pump to get the silt out of the jeep and then winch/snatch it out. Who else besides Curtis and I are willing to give it another shot? Frosty? BadCo?', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37790, '65-1040931580', 1, 1, '209.193.55.162', 1057687923, 0, 'Aw!!!!! come on where's the rest of the story. Don't keep us in suspense.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37791, '76-1032161379', 1, 1, '24.237.47.251', 1059372487, 0, '

Quote (Josh @ July 27 2003,22:22)

I try not to use expletives on message boards, but after watching that all I can say is
HOLY SHIT!!\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37789, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '209.165.147.145', 1058734962, 0, 'The Jeep is being pull'd out by some company the insurance hired. I recived an E-mail saying that they had a crew goin out on the 17th/last thursday. That would have been cool to see. $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37788, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '4.72.0.3', 1058063684, 0, 'Hey curtis let me know when and I will probably go back out. I will be working from 1800-0600. So if you head out in the morning I will probably head with ya. Just PM me the time and what not.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37786, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1059112949, 0, 'By chance may I ask the name of your insurance company I wanna switch.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37787, '100-1056133572', 1, 1, '205.140.85.254', 1057603818, 0, 'Crap like that is why I have a snorkel and diesel - just keep the air coming, no spark to short, and can run for days on a battery just to keep the fuel moving - I gotta' run a high exhaust next, just in case I kill it in the deep stuff. Of course. I would float away sooner and farther than that TJ!

Incredible story, incredible effort. It does sound like Josh isn't familiar with Jim Creek/Knik - you guys could have used some experience out there, but then, those of us with experience stay out of that thing for a good reason. I was hoping to hear that a swamp buggy was out there to help - that seems like that was what was needed - something weighing 10,000 lbs with 6 foot tall tires.

EDIT: I wanted to add I thought it was pretty gutsy to park in the river to try to save the TJ. Maybe hindsight says it was the wrong move, but if I was wheeling, it would be good to have someone who was willing to back me up like that.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37785, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.10.211', 1059624292, 1, 'Josh, who's your insurance company???
I was on the phone with mine, State Farm, and inquired what would happen if I had been in your position. They said it'd have been covered...
If they couldn't prove I'd been trying to do it just for insurance money they would have to pay it off. Also they said no one has to take their quotes, but they do have to justify if there is more than what they say it should be...
Call Jerimiah @ 274-2060, hell help you out. He works for State Farm and said he'd be more than happy to help you...

Chaz

$\':52:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37784, '65-1042008354', 1, 1, '24.237.7.193', 1057605112, 0, 'Happy everyone is safe. $\':7:\'$
Did you happen to get more pics?? Sick curiousity I guess.
Who`s TJ was lost??', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37783, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '12.104.79.252', 1059449601, 0, 'Ya Must be trail ready thats what it's heading home on a Flatbed $\':11:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37781, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.21.208.230', 1057639247, 0, 'Yep, you have to watch that silt. I just went threw the whole Jeep today. Bearings were getting close to being dry. Glad I went threw them. We try to stay far away from Jim Creek. Just like you said, just to much time/money into the Jeep. We are very glad to see the Dodge though $\':18:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37782, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '66.58.220.67', 1059082043, 0, '

Quote (murdock @ July 24 2003,14:21)

Just an update on the jeep/nissan that were still stuck out there. My jeep was covered under insurance and I came out ahead on the deal.

The Nissan wasn't so fortunate. He only had liability on it so he recieved nothing from insurance.

Insurance sent some people out to retrieve the jeep last Thursday or Friday, with no luck. Both the jeep and Nissan have tumbled down the river and they found the jeep upside down with just the tires sticking out! They could only get within 60 feet or so of the jeep.

I guess the water was rising and they took off to the bank to watch. According to insurance, the whole area there filled with water after a few hours, no sandbars, just water in that whole flood area & trees were floating down the river $\':7:\'$ They have given up on it.

We used the insurance money to buy a Toyota 4runner. I think it will be a while before I can convince my wife to let me get another jeep $\':5:\'$ But when I do, it will have a snorkel and I'll be wearing a drysuit.

Now, what's wrong with a 4Runner? Just do a SAS and it will be just as capable, if not more than a J**p! $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37780, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.10.33', 1059373630, 1, 'I can now say "Thank God for Check Engine Lights" It was the deciding feature that kept us out of the water yesterday. I had misgivings about it long before it came on though...
Now I know why.
Josh, you guys are so F@#king lucky. Count your blessings buddy. If you were my kid I'd done beat ya after I watched that!!!
Thank God no one got hurt!!!

Chaz', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37779, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1058196013, 0, '

Quote (MountainJeep @ July 14 2003,06:40)

[/QUOTE]good luck guys, i hope you get that jeep out of that river. i wish i could help out but my parents said i cant go back to knik till i move out of the house...

:p

That is some funny shit and I know that if one of my boys ruined a new ram pickup and was involved in this fiasco I would put the same restrictions on him.

Not that his intentions were not pure and goodhearted but the consequences could have been a dead son.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37778, '77-1057595157', 1, 1, '157.132.165.208', 1057596156, 0, 'Holy Crap you Alaskans are either hard core or crazy! Actually reminds me of some Kiwi's I know...

$\':24:\'$

Yo, just found this board...I gots to get up there and wheel some day', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37775, '79-1031590842', 1, 1, '12.21.209.181', 1059096856, 0, 'We have a Achilles 18.5 footer, with a 40hp on in. Parts $\':19:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37776, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '209.165.147.145', 1058003074, 0, 'How many folk are willing to make one last attempt to pry it from the sand/silk/rock? That is some sad stuff! That pic is a classic!', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37777, '97-1053383396', 1, 1, '209.112.210.100', 1060069714, 0, '

Quote

Where is that at? is that at metal creek?

Why don't you go back and read all the threads, then you wouldn't have to ask a question on a thread that is long enough already. $\':23:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37774, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1058083786, 0, 'good luck guys, i hope you get that jeep out of that river. i wish i could help out but my parents said i cant go back to knik till i move out of the house...

also,i decided to see what insurance was going to say about it for the hell of it and i guess it was a no fault situation since i was helping pull that nissan out. So hopefully if they total out my truck i will be able to buy it back and start the rebuild...

Murdock: Did you get your friends glasses out of my truck? Im not sure if you tried to call me today. My dad woke me up at 630 this moring and said we were going fishing :) gimme a call tomarrow (sunday) about the video. Later Josh\n\n

', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37773, '102-1057400310', 1, 1, '24.237.42.127', 1059553144, 0, 'Hey josh, if you are going through State farm They really due suck. I had alot of problems with them in order to get them to stand behind your policy you will need to bitch. I don't know what kind of policy you have but you may talk to them about the act of God coverage, because it wasn't your fault the river rose. (Yes there is such a thing I believe). when I lost my dads jeep there I was just stupid (there I said it) You guys were trying to get across without being careless.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37772, '109-1050362541', 1, 1, '208.157.230.66', 1059081709, 0, 'Just an update on the jeep/nissan that were still stuck out there. My jeep was covered under insurance and I came out ahead on the deal.

The Nissan wasn't so fortunate. He only had liability on it so he recieved nothing from insurance.

Insurance sent some people out to retrieve the jeep last Thursday or Friday, with no luck. Both the jeep and Nissan have tumbled down the river and they found the jeep upside down with just the tires sticking out! They could only get within 60 feet or so of the jeep.

I guess the water was rising and they took off to the bank to watch. According to insurance, the whole area there filled with water after a few hours, no sandbars, just water in that whole flood area & trees were floating down the river $\':7:\'$ They have given up on it.

We used the insurance money to buy a Toyota 4runner. I think it will be a while before I can convince my wife to let me get another jeep $\':5:\'$ But when I do, it will have a snorkel and I'll be wearing a drysuit.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37770, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1057894482, 0, 'ah so you were the IFE today!', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37771, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '64.4.226.176', 1057983839, 0, 'iv heard a lot about the parade i know its the bear paw. is AK EX in the parade? are members only alowed to ride? iv just been wondering.

back to the topic if i can ride with some one im willing to help if you guys go back out to try and get it out. just let me know.', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37769, '77-1057595157', 1, 1, '157.132.165.208', 1058193607, 0, '[/QUOTE]good luck guys, i hope you get that jeep out of that river. i wish i could help out but my parents said i cant go back to knik till i move out of the house...

:p', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37768, '72-1031634863', 1, 1, '137.229.98.59', 1057978841, 0, 'if you guys go out let me know, i want to come or ride with someone', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37767, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1057967013, 0, 'Well I just recently aquired a survival dry suit. So If there is going to be rescue attempt made we can venture further into the river with out the possibility of getting wet. I will of coarse be bringing my water wings for safety reasons. I guess I could wear a speedo too and nobody would know.LOL. So is there another attempt being planned for Saturday. Badco, Oddball, Frosty, let me know I will be picking up the suit in a hour. I will bring my stuff to the parade tomarrow. I also am bringing my climbing gear. Not to be a puss but damn that rope hurt my waist. I could even probably fanagle a full body harness. hhmmm', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37766, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1057961555, 0, 'CB - well you answered the only question I had left as to whether or not I was goin out to look, and Im not, no way no how, I was under the impression that it was retrievable from either side of the creek....', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37765, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1057997246, 0, '

Quote (sledneck @ July 11 2003,20:23)

iv heard a lot about the parade i know its the bear paw. is AK EX in the parade? are members only alowed to ride? iv just been wondering.

back to the topic if i can ride with some one im willing to help if you guys go back out to try and get it out. just let me know.

AKX is in the parade. Yes it is open to members only and all of the spots are already filled (they limit us to 12 vehicles)

Looks like nobody is even going to waste there time with the TJ anymore. Specially after that last picture......', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (37764, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1057568313, 0, 'man im going to have to edit some of that... eh ill do it tomarrow...', 1, 0, 2617, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36034, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.17.140.166', 1061533975, 0, '

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My response to that was what if that person that hits you in their car while you're playing in the street is a speeding drunk driver?

By not playing in the street you are being responsible for yourself, and remove yourself from the situation. Doesn't the military or police forces teach its people to constantly assess their surroundings and remove themselves from any danger?

You cannot control the actions of others. Never have been able too, never will. You can only control your own. In short you are responsible for your own actions. It's infortunate that people drive drunk. I may get killed by one by driving on the street. But I am not going to increase my odds of being hit by playing in it.

This has turned into a simple argument. It's clear it will never be resolved on the board or anywhere else. That's fine. I can live with that. I'm content with my position. If my daughter gets caught playing in the street I'll discipline her. She won't play in the street again. Hope all turns out well for you, and look forward to seeing the good you can do in your position for the benefit of wheeling in Alaska. Dan', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36033, '87-1032118562', 1, 1, '24.237.112.195', 1061455127, 0, 'Tazz - That's curious; mine's a year older and came with the strap. The revision of the instructions included cited its need as well. Can't say why yours came without. Having worked in a number of warehouses I can say there's a few ways it could easily get forgotten.

Rob - Thanks; that's exactly as I'd remember it from the couple of law-based undergrad classes I had. I'm glad you're healing.', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36031, '97-1053383396', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1061405577, 0, 'Let me get this straight. If I fall off a ladder because I didn't set it up right, I can sue the ladder manufactuer because they didn't make it so I couldn't fall off when I set it up wrong?', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36032, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1061514664, 1, '

Quote (Bronco85 @ Aug. 21 2003,14:41)

Chaz $\':15:\'$ [/quote]
Only ones responsible are RWC, Kurt, and the kid that plugged it in. Warn had nothing to do with it. They put out a product it's your responsibility to use it correctly.

If it were only so simple. Obviously you fail to head the words of someone, not me by the way, that knows a little more about the subject than you, a lawyer. not even RWC, but an attorney he spoke with that says the "VERY SAME THING" RWC says.
But then again you're one for pissing in the wind until someone slams the door shut on ya.
Go $\':42:\'$ , in case you don't understand that, I did use a picture, poke some more at this shit. Ain't going anywhere with it, are ya.

$\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36030, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '69.144.139.22', 1060015338, 0, 'I hope every thing works out for you rob!!

i agree 100% with brentt, i saw this happen on tv once in fact it was the ttc. i was thinking with 8000 lbs of pulling force why wouldnt that hook go through the fairlead?', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36029, '112-1031629665', 1, 1, '24.237.88.254', 1059948911, 0, 'Get well soon Rob. I hope you get full use back dude.', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36028, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1061528166, 0, '

Quote (AlaskaXJ @ Aug. 21 2003,17:25)

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Obviously you fail to head the words of someone, not me by the way, that knows a little more about the subject than you, a lawyer. not even RWC, but an attorney he spoke with that says the "VERY SAME THING" RWC says.

I've known men with no formal education that had more common sense than "Advanced formal educated persons."

Do not confuse Common Sense and Wisdom with Education and Intelligence. Neither come from the same place young patowin you must seek both to be a complete person....', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36027, '65-1042008354', 1, 1, '24.237.7.193', 1061517179, 0, 'I`ve had several so called accidents and never sued...it`s part of being responsible for your actions. Pain??? I don`t think you`ve had any real pain yet...I know real pain. Be reponsible for yourself and your gear and chances will decrease in the injury dept. Remember..stay in the line of fire too long and you WILL get burned...some are just more lucky than others.

Sorry to sound like an asshole....just the facts. $\':39:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36026, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '24.237.96.100', 1061482713, 0, '

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You had no way of knowing the plug was upside down.

Exactly. And tell me again who designed the plug that could be put in upside down causing the winch to run BACKWARDS?

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You had no way of knowing if the cables to the winch were even hooked to the battery correctly.

If they were that wouldn't have caused it to run backwards. At most Kurt's Jeep would have caught on fire, which would still suck, but it would be the negligence of whomever installed the winch. Kurt has better sense than that. And either way, that's still not enough for product liability.

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You didn't know even if Kurt would push the contoller switch the right direction even if it was installed correctly.

You're right. And if he'd negligently (or recklessley or intentionally) pushed it the wrong direction, I could've sued him. That's the kind of thing that I think comes down personal responsibility and the inherent dangers of our hobby. I think obvious product failure is there too; I'm not going to sue Goodyear because I loose a bead on the trail or Keeper because an old and frayed strap breaks sending a D-ring through my windshield. But when I buy a product, I expect it to function properly for its intended use. The winch didn't.

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You grabbed a hook incorrectly. You messed up.

Yes I did. And if the winch had operated properly, I would not have been hurt.

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If you had exercised proper caution, none of the above listed would have done you any harm.

Even if I'd used a handsaver, the winch would still have operated backwards due to the defectively designed winch controller. Although admittedly my fingers would still be intact.

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I am fully behind having the connector changed to prevent harm to anybody . . .

Then what's wrong with me explaining to Warn the seriousness of the design change through a lawsuit? I honestly don't expect them to change anything because I send them a letter, and the fact that Warn still uses a circular connecter on the 8274 suggests to me that nobody has sued yet.

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[B]ut that doesn't change the fact one bit that if Warn chooses to make a connector that goes in in any direction, and you choose to buy it and put it to use, then you assume the risks and should use due caution.

Alaska uses pure comparative negligence, not assumption of risk. I negligently had my hand on the hook, but that does not excuse Warn's negligent design.

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If responsible parents would teach their kids not to put them where they don't belong instead of blaming others this whole attitude would quietly go away.

Yes, I needed to have a handsaver and I didn't. But how else was I supposed to put tension on the winch line if I didn't use my hand? My dad would have told me to just grab the hook, expecting the winch to pay out when he pushed the proper button.

RWC', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36025, '116-1032745643', 1, 1, '66.58.217.218', 1061365993, 0, ' $\':41:\'$ RWC,

I would hope that you would never screw any of your friends... BadCo is a big boy and he can take care of himself BUT he is THE man!!!!!! I would hope that you wouldn't even bring him up in any of this sh*t!!!! I feel bad for what happened to you really I do, BUT..... K.B. didn't ask you to touch his winch and neither did his kids,..... AND I know you all can call me a bitch or whatever... I relay on KURT for more that any of you will ever realize... so judgement aside...
RWC.,,.................. I am really happy that your hand is ok.............', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36024, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '24.237.54.57', 1059987387, 0, 'Yes, unfortunately for all, there was NOT one less attorney last night. Since I can't touch-type, this will be short.

1. THANKYOU to everyone who was there. The response and support was spectacular, and I don't think this was anybody's fault. (But I may look into a products liability action against Warn.) I feel privileged to have been with the group that was there.

2. I did have surgery that night and was essentially told to expect losing the last bone of the finger. The surgeon was able to put it back with a couple pins, but I'm far from being in the clear yet. If tissue continues dieing, then I'll lose the tip.

3. I can't count how many times in the last five years I've run cable. No, I didn't have on gloves, but I also knew better than to touch the actual cable. I've also seen every other winch I've dealt with have the hook hang up on the fairlead, so I'd always thought grabbing the hook was safe. Apparently not. I've also never heard of a hand-saver until today!

RWC', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36023, '99-1041538216', 1, 1, '209.180.181.162', 1061493867, 0, '

Quote (Country Boy @ Aug. 21 2003,10:37)

I have heard alot of exuces in my time. Every one is responsible for their actions. You should have relized maybe grabbing a cable that has 8000 pounds of pulling force bare handed wasent such a good idea. Let me ask you a question. If there would have been a handsaver would your hand have been pulled in? I think not. You are ultimatly responsible. I understand I was not there but I have heard the storie several times from people that were there. And I can not see how warn is responsible. I deal with these same issues everyday. Somebody trying to blame someone else. If people in the world would take responsibilty for there actions this would be a better place. Everybody is out for themselfs, they want a free ride. Dont take affense but that is what it sounded like you were doing. You screwed up. Something bad happened. But it happened because you were neglegent.

I guess you can easily say, the very last sentance sums it all into a nutshell....', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36022, '83-1058696111', 1, 1, '64.4.228.177', 1059940339, 0, 'Sorry to hear about any one having an accident and hope that Rob's recovery goes well.
That being said there is another possibility for the direction being switched. During periods
of winching when the cable isn't wound in smoothly it isn't all that uncommon for the cable
to get pinched so that it doesn't matter which way the winch runs the cable is going to go
in.
I wasn't there so I'm certainly not trying to say how the accident happened but a winch can
be a hazard and though I have never used one I think that a hand saver is an excellent idea
and I will add one to my winch supplies.

Gus', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36021, '67-1033255981', 1, 1, '24.237.54.134', 1059925644, 0, 'I heard about this last night as I was getting up for some more meds... I think that the "frat house" needs to be renamed to "the infirmary" (our other roommate scraped his face up a few days ago - Scott, you better not be next). I too am guilty of thinking that I'm too cool to use the handsaver. It's sad that something has to happen to convince us to change our habits. Guys, lets please think about safety more. I thought nothing of picking up the engine that broke my leg, and I'm sure rob thought nothing of a "routine" winching scenario. I don't want to see anyone else get hurt this season.', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36020, '116-1032745643', 1, 1, '209.112.211.207', 1061486957, 0, 'DID you read RWC's post...... HE isn't going to SUE warn or kurt...... so WHY not just drop this whole F@ckin argument and let it Be....... DAMN I thought women where Bad. $\':41:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36018, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '24.237.54.57', 1060241450, 0, 'It hurts, but not as bad as before. The narcotics have had nasty side effects (difficulty urinating and defacating), so I'm going iron-man from here on out. My mom is coming up tomorrow to take me out to see the surgeon one last time, and then back down to Homer. Hopefully I'll still get to Juneau soon.

RWC', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36019, '97-1053383396', 1, 1, '209.193.10.31', 1061448589, 0, '[/QUOTE]Why are you guys giving Rob such a hard time about this?[QUOTE]

Hey sled, its called personnal responsibility.

Makes me wonder why Warn started putting the hand savers on their winches. They didn't 3 years ago when I bought mine.', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36017, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.21.214.239', 1061463542, 0, '

Quote (aktazz @ Aug. 20 2003,22:49)

Hey sled, its called personnal responsibility.

tazz did you read RWC post. now do you see why i was asking?

Rwc i was on you side the whole time $\':34:\'$ and like smikey2 said that you have his respect you have mine to! as for many other people should/do. brentt likes to think the redneck way Suck up if you fawk up witch i can see it that way to. (im from wyoming so i have some redneck in me) but now this is all over and every one can me happy $\':32:\'$ i dont know you in person RWC but my hats off to you for what you did, and best of luck to you on your fingers!! $\':1:\'$ $\':16:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36015, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.209.78', 1061456577, 1, 'Rob man...
Do you think an endorsement from a few of us on that letter to Warn might help them reconcider the design???
I agree with you totally, Brentt is just hard headed. But then again I suppose you know that already... LOL

Chaz $\':15:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36016, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '24.237.91.254', 1061456697, 0, 'Without stepping on toes. I will simply say RWC, you have definitly earned my respect. Not for the mere refusal to sue on Kurts behalf. Solely due to the fact you used your sense of cause and effect mind thought. However you pursue this may the BIG MAN be on your side. Hope the recovery continues to maintain its positive course of action.

Best of luck in your SOON to be new career.

MIKE $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36014, '99-1041538216', 1, 1, '209.180.181.162', 1061417006, 0, 'I think the biggest mistake people make in our sport, the failure to see the dangers that can/have and will happen..

Kinda like the noobe, who thinks the roll cage should be the last thing he needs, "OH, I WILL NEVER ROLL" I did this, playing on a very easy obstacle, and needless to say, I was lucky.

But again, I hope you recover rob...', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36013, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1061528694, 0, 'Whoever said Rob was not in pain is a fucking idiot. I saw the flush white face that was cracking jokes to make himself feel good......you did not.

Do not tell others what they felt, cause I will guarentee you that your pain threshold is way below mine and I would never tell you what you feel....moron. Think you would have felt pain with a Jeep sitting on your hand, upside down and glass so burried in the meat of your hand that you find a new piece working its way to the surface all the time? Ask the guys that were there what Robs Fingers or my Hand looked like? Remeber the only time I said anything about the pain was when AZ/CJ was about to dislocate and possibly break them......', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36012, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1061413247, 0, 'Wonder if I could sue Jeep for pinning my hand between the ground and the windshield.....

I mean All I did was drive at a 45* on a 10% slope into a 5 foot ditch with no doors, hood and a heavily modified suspension toss in a big dose of dumbass......Look out Jeep Here I come.......and I am getting rid of the Liberty first thing after I take over!', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36011, '99-1041538216', 1, 1, '209.180.181.162', 1061408427, 0, 'Wow, what a sad misfortion, and happy nobody got SERIOUSELY hurt. Rob, I hope you heal up.

On the sueing issue, I also dissagree, its sad when the products we buy are rising due to missfortunes like this.. Missfortunes that in my oppinion were due to operator error (meaning anybody who was associated with the operation, controlling the wince or the cable). If I take follow a spotters line, and bend a fender? Does the spotter owe me a fender?', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36010, '56-1039040315', 1, 1, '207.19.62.150', 1060024669, 0, 'Everyone already thinks your an asshole Brentt, so no worries there. Rob I didnt get to meet you at the last meeting, but the way you rushed to help Jeremiah really impressed me, and its sad that something this horrible had to happen to such a vital person in this club. I hope all goes well for you and crazy5. I wish you both a fast and speedy recovery.
-Jeremy', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36008, '54-1048143128', 1, 1, '24.237.161.242', 1061424180, 0, 'Yes, you should not be able to sue...but any connector that in any way could be inserted in backwards is a pretty bad choice to me. I work with X-Ray interlock devices and the electronics that control them. The NRC has some very strict guidelines on how switch closures must work and be fail safe. For some of the newer devices like the XR200 from golden engineering you have to close one set of contacts and open another before it fires.

I haven't seen this plug yet, or what it looks like, but I can think of quite a few ways to make a plug setup for a winch that even in an incorrect orientation would not cause undesired operation. You might get nothing, but not a motor going backwards.

I wonder how fun a PTO winch on an automatic would be? You stick someone in the drivers seat and they put it in D instead of "1"...and in a blink the tranny is up to 30mph and you have a really painful looking guy outside. ;)

Oh well, in all of this I'm sitting here trying to figure out exactly how I'm going to make a winch out of a hydraulic wheel motor, 2wd SM465, and a 6,000lb trailer spindle/hub. ;)', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36009, '117-1061443558', 1, 1, '66.58.148.24', 1061443692, 0, 'Frivolous Lawsuits

The city of Brooklyn Park asked a man to cut down a contaminated tree on his property. The man set up a ladder incorrectly against his van and started to cut down the tree. Foolishly climbing the unsteady ladder, the man slipped, fell, and suffered head injuries. But, this man actually had the nerve to sue the city for his own carelessness, and ended up costing the city $4000, before the case was thrown out of court. This ridiculous case is just one of the many known in our legal system as “frivolous lawsuits”.

Frivolous lawsuits can be defined as cases that have no weight, worth, and or seriousness. They are the single most destructive problem in today’s justice system. Each year, the President’s Council on Competitiveness has estimated that Americans spend over $300 billion a year on frivolous lawsuits. The United States has about 30 times more lawsuits than Japan. In short, trivial litigation hurts society’s workforce, wastes tremendous amounts of our money, threatens the legitimacy of our justice system, and most of all, society, sending a message that when you mess up, you should blame it on someone else.

First, ridiculous claims affect society’s workforce. They make manufacturers take costly and unnecessary precautions. In one case, someone sued the manufacturers of a fruit company because he ate the plastic covering on the outside of the fruit along with the fruit. These pointless cases force manufacturers to put warning labels on almost all products. For instance, this was found on a box of Kellogg’s Pop-Tarts: Warning: Pastry Filling May Be Hot When Heated. Wow! A free physics lesson with every box! And this was found on a butane lighter: Warning: Flame may cause fire. Using this logic, we can calculate that the water emitted from squirt guns may cause wetness. Soon, the labels will get more specific and say: Warning: This beverage is hot! Allow to cool before spilling onto your crotch. The point is, higher liability costs drive up prices while reducing the availability of goods and services for everyone. Since liability costs are so high, jobs are lost to foreign competitors with less product liability exposure. In addition, frivolous lawsuits hurt non-profit groups. In fear of lawsuits, they cut assistance to the poor and needy. Since they are non-profit, they can’t afford to get sued. Petty litigation harms the working population that doesn’t get paid; it discourages volunteers. Potential volunteers hesitate because of the liability and the fear of getting sued. And let’s face it people, no one likes getting sued. In many lawsuits, you can lose money, and a whole lot of time-even if you are found to be completely without fault. Preposterous charges also cost jobs. Businesses recoup their costs from court by laying off workers or shutting their doors. Either way, consumers are on the losing end. When frivolous cases are tried in local governments, the taxpayers end up paying the bill. Hard-working citizens like you end up paying for these trivial cases. This is where a big chunk of your hard-earned tax dollar goes.

Secondly, frivolous lawsuits are a tremendous waste of money. Besides squandering our tax dollars, they force defendants to hire lawyers. And lawyers, as we know, are not cheap--to the tune of 500 dollars per hour. No matter what happens, the defendant loses money. How can lawyers charge so much and yet accept these cases? Businesses lose vast amounts of money like this – they end up paying money just to make the case go away. When someone accuses a company for an indirect injury, the company often offers the unscrupulous money-grubber a certain sum of money not to sue. After accepting the money, this cheat can still legally sue the company. What’s more, when in court, the juries are often not notified of this pre-payment, which would surely affect the outcome of the verdict.

Thirdly and lastly, when we allow absurd and unnecessary claims, we allow people to hinder the legitimacy of our criminal justice system. A system that was originally meant to keep justice in society is now used to settle whether we should pay for some person who stabbed himself with a pencil, and is now suing because it was too sharp. Justice in society is too important to stand for such ludicrous cases. Frivolous lawsuits make a joke out of the system and impede it from hearing other more important cases, such as murder, or theft. We already have too many cases and not enough courts – these preposterous claims are just overcrowding the judicial branch with too many cases. Was the original intent of the justice system meant for these kind of cases? Absolutely not. When the fathers of our nation crafted the Constitution, they never intended to create a justice system that would try frivolous cases. Houston CALA director Jon Opelt says of lawsuit abuse, “Unfortunately, wacky lawsuits are just the tip of the lawsuit abuse iceberg. Junk lawsuits waste tax dollars and tie up court time. That means the rest of us pay when others use our courts for frivolous reasons.” It also means that people with legitimate claims have to wait longer to have their case heard. In fact, our patience with frivolous complaints even allows for cases from convicted criminals who are even suing themselves. For example, an Oklahoma inmate sued because he was forced to listen to country music. Now, if he had been forced to listen to Billy Ray Cyrus he might have won. Then there was the convicted New York rapist who sued the state, claiming he lost sleep and suffered headaches and chest pains after being given a “defective haircut” by an unqualified barber. If that were a valid lawsuit, every single person in my father’s high school yearbook would be a millionaire! And finally, An Ohio inmate sued for being denied possession of soap on a rope. walk back to center

Now that you have the facts, how do we solve this corrupting problem that is weighing down our society?….In order to solve the problem of these crazy lawsuits, I advocate that Congress pass the “Frivolous Lawsuit Limitation Act,” which expressly gives States the right to pass laws imposing stiffer fines on frivolous lawsuits. States should be able to pass laws like Ohio’s “Vexatious Litigator” act, which holds a lawyer responsible when he or she brings to the court too many actions deemed unnecessary. Because this very reasonable law has been challenged in court, it needs the support of Congress before other states can follow. This law also reserves the appropriate power to punish frivolous lawsuits to the courts, thus respecting the separation of powers. With this plan in effect, America could prosper freely with no restrictions. Governor Pete Wilson expressed it best when he said, “We must reform a legal system that has made the lawyer’s briefcase a weapon of terror that threatens to undermine California’s economy.” Although Governor Wilson refers to California, this quote is applies universally.

When you add up all of the benefits of preventing frivolous litigation, you then can rescue what is left of the original justice system, save our own tax money, assist the economy by lowering product prices, and help society’s workforce. With all these advantages to society, there is no reason to continue to tolerate frivolous lawsuits.

Instead of seeking to put the blame on others, we should just accept responsibility for our own stupidity and go on with life. We must discourage the people who sue after falling off ladders, and put an end to their cases. Unfortunately, there will always be those who take the coward’s way out and try to get their dignity back by making others pay for their mistakes. We all complain about the inefficiencies of our government and society. Frivolous lawsuits only exacerbate the problem. With my plan in effect, humanity could once again restore itself to excellence. Unlike the man who set his ladder against a van, we must exercise good judgment... And recognize...a good idea.

http://www.4ranters.com/detail.php?id=31', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36007, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1061355703, 0, 'Rob,

Not to be a dick but how in the hell is Warn responsible?

Dave's son screwed up the plug in. Kurt screwed up not doing it himself. You screwed up holding onto the cable without gloves and not freespooling it out. I screwed up for not having headlights or proper clothing hence pushing everyone out faster than we should have. Grillman screwed up for breaking his shit and keeping us after dark. Meat gazer Gary screwed up not having any front towpoints. Little Giant screwed up picking the wrong line and getting everyone stuck. Frosty's Parents Screwed and now look what happened......but I don't see where Warn screwed up.....

edit was to correct language at the request of the post Nazi's.

Edit by Bgreen: So, asking you to chill out on the Cursing makes me a NAZI? Thats great, thanks alot.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36005, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1060035287, 0, 'I don't have one on my winch. I always figured it it's pretty slow if somthing happens I'll be ready for it. Plus I never let it out under power.

I learned the hard way that it's a good thing to wear gloves when pulling the cable after I sliced my hand open with a couple stray cables... Always wear gloves now.!', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36006, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1061396666, 0, 'Brentt you nailed that one. Rob I dont know you personaly so dont take offense but like the bumper sticker says "SHIT HAPPENS". Learn from your mistakes. I have learned plenty in my few years and will learn a few more I am sure. I guess I dont understand why you feal warn is liable nor do you need to explain it to me. I probably wouldent understand all that lawyer talk anyways. I just do not see in any way possible that warn could be responsible. Everything that was done wrong, was done bye the people out there not warn. No offense to the people that were there.', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36003, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '146.63.102.59', 1061515504, 0, '

Quote

I've known men with no formal education that had more common sense than "Advanced formal educated persons."', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36004, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '24.237.96.100', 1061526910, 0, 'Somebody emailed me today to make a good point. I'd like to share the gist of the point and my response.

They said that when you play in the street, eventually you'll get hit by a car. It's your own fault for playing in the street. By analogy, it was my own fault for having my hand on the hook, because eventually it's going to get drug through the roller fairlead.

My response to that was what if that person that hits you in their car while you're playing in the street is a speeding drunk driver? Does your playing in the street excuse his speeding and intoxication? If your kid was in the street and got hit, I bet you'd be pointing a finger too, and it wouldn't be just at your kid. Who's really at fault? Who's more at fault? How do you allocate fault? This is where you get the area of comparative negligence. Yes, you shouldn't be playing in the street, but that doesn't change the fact that you got hit by a drunk.

Let's say you're playing in your living room while the speeding drunk driver comes down the street. Being in the living room, you don't get hurt, but does that excuse the speeding drunk driver? Of course not (and since you're not damaged you don't get to sue), but that doesn't mean that the drunk wasn't negligent. I love personal responsibility, and just like the drunk driver, Warn deserves a healthy allocation of responsibility in addition to me.

I know some of you are afraid to open your eyes, but I hope this gives you some food for thought.

RWC

P.S.

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Pain??? I don`t think you`ve had any real pain yet...I know real pain.

If you don't consider having one finger mostly amputed and another with all the skin ripped off painful, then I guess I haven't felt pain in your eyes. Somebody once told me childbirth hurts though!\n\n

', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (36002, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '24.237.96.100', 1061367904, 0, 'Well, I guess it's obvious that Kurt is the friend that I'm terrified of screwing. You'll all just have to trust me that I won't let that happen, and if that means entirely foregoing a good suit against Warn, then so be it. Let me be blunt: IF THIS MIGHT EVEN POSSIBLY ADVERSELY AFFECT KURT, THEN KURT WILL HAVE THE FINAL CALL. Period. End of story. I knew that going in, and I made it clear to the attorney I talked too. Kurt is an awesome guy and a good friend; I've got nothing but good things to say about him (unless I'm giving him $\':42:\'$ ).

There's a lot more that I'd like to explain, but I simply do not feel comfortable discussing litigation strategy on the internet. My next step is to talk to Kurt again before I talk to the attorney and see if he understands the potential implications. Please don't ask me any more questions about this on the board because I will not respond. I know the last thing you want to hear from an attorney is "just trust me," but that's all I've got to offer right now.

RWC', 1, 0, 2498, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35908, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '24.237.91.254', 1061185871, 0, 'Nope you could only wish.
So now i am a greenie again. $\':42:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35905, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '24.237.94.7', 1060294221, 0, 'I think that this is the dumbest idea in military history. There blue, the only way I would blend into anything is if I fall into a swimming pool. Luckily there still in the testing phase and I'm praying to god they don't pass this idea. It's true that not many people in the Air Force see combat in the forest but we don't do urban combat either. I might have to join a different branch if they pass this crap, but I'm an E3 what do I know.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35906, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1060285172, 0, 'I agree rgrjeep. Urban they are good stuff.

I would untuck the blouse. Keep the button up undershirt if you want to have a nice look without the blouse.

Lose the hat. I am thinking something with flowers....maybe something to designate your unit or base.....Would suck to be the base that got the pink pansy though....lol well that is unless the Navy snatches it up first.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35907, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1061237738, 0, 'Shoot I dont do anything I dont want to do for women. I am me and I dont try to act something I am not. So quite poseing and shut up. I am tired of hearing you whine. As for your name choad why dont you go to canada ehh. If you were a true red neck you dont drink non of that stuff. Its plain and simple Bud and thats the original if you cant drink that you go for what you can get. But you I guess you wouldent know that since your a poser. I see you with a leatherman it will be mine and you will be standing tall before the man in your half assed uniform looking like a dirt bag. And the reason they dont want you living on the back side of base is because they are affraid of what you would do to the local wildlife. So bow up or shut up. Just quite wasting my time.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35904, '114-1042432543', 1, 1, '24.237.11.221', 1060323005, 0, 'Face it, might not like it but your going to wear it and pay for it regardless. Same as the transition from fatigues to BDUs, and from 3 different styles of blues. Paid for them all, didn't like it but had no choice. Back then that was beer money!
Initially we went to the BDUs to standardize uniforms across the services. Now the reversal, we want to stand out again.
Everytime you get new senior leadership, there is going to be change, you have to look at the rewards factor, and the impact someone makes to AF history. Nice bullet for someone....', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35903, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060308057, 1, '

Quote (Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force Gerald Murray @ Aug. 04 2003,E-Mail)

Our intent is to create a uniform that will be distinctive, practical, easy to maintain, comfortable, and most important, a uniform you will be proud to wear. The wear test program will be conducted over the course of six months and will test 300 uniforms at nine bases representative of all our MAJCOM’s and operating environments.

Distinctive - Somewhat
Practical - Somewhat (To Opinionated for that one)
Easy to Maintain - Who really thinks you won't end up ironing this? Isn't that what they said about the woodland BDU???
Comfortable - IMO NOT, especially if you have to tuck in the shirt (blouses are for girls Brentt)
Proud to Wear - I will wear whatever they give me with pride, but be happy about it, not likely...

There are 4 main things I dislike about this uniform:
1 - Tucked in shirts suck, I remember when we did that with the greens. it sucked then and the idea still does...
2 - New things generally cost more than the item they are replacing... They already seem to think clothing allowance will cover replacing blues ever 3 years and BDU's ever year... Are they even more stupid that we're lead to believe???
3 - The T-Shirts will be required to be custom and are in the style of a baseball shirt... (see attachment) So along with the price inevitable price increase of the uniform out t-shirts are replaced with an even more costly version that now requires a silk-screened USAF emblem and U.S. Air Force and Name embroidered... Guess we won't have to worry about needing jerseys for sporting events... $\':50:\'$
4 - Why copy the Marines' hat??? Brentt is right, that is so idiotic. At least we could have stolen something from the Army seeing that's where the AF came from... LOL

Now 3 things I like about it
1 - The colors will work better in the Air Base situation. You can guarantee SpecOps will not be wearing this where it won't work, they didn’t get where they are being stupid.
2 - There is rumors they'll be going to a suede boot, to further reduce upkeep. I bet they'll wear out fairly quick though, and for up here they'll turn to ice for sure... LOL
3 - If they do come out and say "Don't iron and starch this uniform" then I'll be happy. It'll save me $15-$20 a week in cleaning and pressing bills.

Chaz

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Quote (nate379 @ Aug. 07 2003,21:09)

As long as my uniform doesn't look too bad, I could care less. If I know of something "important" I will iron it, but just day to day work, no way.

When I see someone that has creases that could cut paper and boots so shiny that I see my face, that tells me either they have no life or don't actually work. Yeah a decent shine and iron job looks nice, but I'm too lazy and cheap. Yeah I'll be honest.

. That's why Marines aren't allowed to use starch... well so I'm told.

Thats why you guys are a bunch of tirds. No pride in your uniform. When I was first in, i found that coors light gives you a hell of a spit shine. As far as creases go, my trousers used to stand up by themselves in the corner of the room. Friggin air force, too busy playing video games to give a shit.

The starch thing is true.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35901, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060363343, 0, 'Nate you duffle bag why dont you take some pride in your uniform. It costs 5 bucks to have your shit dry cleaned. I dont want to hear shit about working the flight line. I was pumping gas on 14 hour shifts in bumb f%$ no where before you even were out of high school.If my memory serves me correctly I dont remember ammo ever working the shifts like us crew chiefs. Every day I have gone to work with a crisp sharp uniform and polished boots. I dont think Ammo has ever gotten covered in JP8 or Hydro fluid and still had to finish a shift. The next day that uniform was either at the cleaners or I sayed up washing and pressing the SOB. You need to take some pride in the uniform that others have died for man. The uniform means something to alot of people including me so when I hear people say they dont care what they look like it pisses me off. I remember alot of young airman that came through correctional custody when I worked there that had your ming set. One day with us and they changed there minds real quick.
Sorry to get off topic but I cant stand people that dont think they need to take pride in them selfs.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35900, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.125.13', 1060404960, 0, 'I guess as long as you are stationed at Hickam, then things will be just like that.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35899, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060662660, 0, 'Lets just go back to the old OD greens I would rather wear those.:35:', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35894, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060290807, 0, 'FYI combat weather was just incorperated into AFSOC. Or special operation command. Before they were directed by a army command. Just FYI $\':25:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35895, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060283874, 0, 'Hey brentt I agree 100 percent. I wonder what the AF guys that support real world missions are going to be wearing. I dont think a TACP or PJ or CCT would wear that into a hostile environment. I dont know maybe they would. I have a good e-mail I will try to send you. Maybe you know how to put it on the board. I may work QA now but I still dont know shit about computers......PM me your e-mail so I can forward some thing..\n\n

', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35896, '114-1032462701', 1, 1, '143.213.132.69', 1060284257, 0, 'The pattern is fine, the color is not pleasing to the eye. Tactical environment? If you are in the woods the uniform won't work. Air Force in the woods? If you are in an Urban environment it will work fine. The pattern is hard to track. Green camo sticks out like a sore thumb in the city.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35897, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '24.237.91.254', 1061314496, 0, 'This is what i am talking about!! Alot of people saying without me you aint nothing. So right you ALL are. Without EVERYONE the wheel doesnt spin. Its a total team effort, lose one spoke and it may still roll but without the same integrity it had before. Eventually it will fail. Well unless you are the Army of one. $\':36:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35898, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1061181204, 0, '

Quote (smikey2 @ Aug. 16 2003,21:25)

Well Brent i didnt post for 4 pages!!

Damn and I had just started thinking you had moved onto "greener" pastures......', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35892, '114-1032462701', 1, 1, '12.21.209.113', 1060318310, 0, 'Thanks for the correction country boy. I have always had trouble remembering the Air Force rank.
As for camoflauge, it is a thing of the past. By the time the army guys have all their kit on you can barely see the uniform anyway.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35893, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060306429, 0, '

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ Aug. 07 2003,12:11)

What's up with this crap. Sorry guys but your taking a good idea (Marines Uniform) and screwing it up.

The pattern is fine. I am sure it is tested and it suits your urban settings much better than the current BDU.

The belt is GAY and I cannot wait to see all the fatass airmen who are weight challenged anyway with a belt proclaiming the fact that they eat BK everyday. Face it we can all look sharp in a BDU if your willing to buy the next size up.......lol.

How about that Headgear? I bet the Marines are really gonna apriciate that....At least the Rangers were kicked in the bean bag by thier own....not a bunch of persons that are so far removed from the example the Marines have set forth that if you were any further you would be a Civilian.

Ofcoarse this is all just my opinion.

THE HEAD GEAR IS THAT OF A COP NOT EVERYONE WILL BE WEARING IT.

Its capped cause it hits home. The Cops beret is there for identification in a crowd nothing else. MP's wear brasards, SP's wear Berets. Deal with it.

Brian', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35891, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060378348, 0, 'Friendly competition is good as long as its friendly...Nothing wrong with that..After all we all know who the best is............LOL.........Just kidding we all have a unique thing to add to the battle.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35890, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.10.117', 1060374443, 1, '

Quote (AlaskaToy @ Aug. 08 2003,09:54)

That said, I'm of the opinion this forum is a poor venue for service members to air dirty laundry about our brothers and sisters in arms. This is a public forum and we should be careful what we say about each others' profession. When we begin to state who we are and where we work we are automatically represetative of the Army, Navy, AF, or Marine Corps. If we must anounce our affiliations, let's maintain our professional image too. $\':1:\'$

Whatever', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35889, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '24.237.91.254', 1061097928, 0, 'Well Brent i didnt post for 4 pages!!
I am a little confused on the whole topic though. So please someone fill me in. Was the purpose of this topic to complain about the uniform or discuss it? I personally see No problem with it. If i were infantry then the story would be diffrent however i am not nor are 95+% of the active AirForce. I would suggest looking at it from outside the box. The Air Force does not have the history the Army nor Navy posses. They (the Army) took a unique group (Army Air Corp) with the ability to cause maximum effect on the national defense war effort. Reality was that in the time the Army was ignorant of what an Aviation force could perform. Since then the Air Force has attempted to make its own legacy.
On a proactive note why doesnt anyone with a real problem (other than it looks tacky or its for pusses) write there congressman/woman. We get so pissed about trail issues but here is something that may or may not affect those whom defend you. Aim High!! God Bless my Brothers as well! $\':1:\'$ To the fallen Peacekeepers!', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35887, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1061236810, 0, 'I can not wait to see you on the line i will have my leatherman out and try to do something son. As for my name you think you are the countryboy who drinks beer all the time battyblue is the name we call LaBatts blue beer and if want to go beer for beer lets go son. As for the woman i do not have to go to church to get a woman unlike you. And you know me i love MOPP gear just like you hell i would live on the back side of base if they would let me. $\':21:\'$ $\':35:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35888, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060662372, 1, '

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ Aug. 11 2003,07:38)

those colors will work fine in all but the brightest light. Intent is a urban environment and hence there will always be shadows. These uniforms will work good for that.

But the Hat is stupid.

198.....we can toss that....lol

Toss the hat and the t-shirt...
Don't need to be spending $25+ on a damn t-shirt...!!!
Damn generals will screw with anything.
$\':42:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35883, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '66.58.220.67', 1060288900, 0, '

Quote (rgrjeep @ Aug. 07 2003,12:16)

I also sit across from a retired master chief (decorated vietnam veteran TACP). He was stationed on Elmendorf when he retired about 8 years ago or so.

Master Chief??? Was he in the Navy (E-8)???

If he was AF, he would have been a Chief Master Sergeant (E-9).', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35884, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1060283688, 0, 'last one. I think the pattern is fine the other stuff neds work.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, '1293', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (35885, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.21.214.88', 1061289066, 0, 'how about you all shut the hell up or i will woop all your asses $\':21:\'$ $\':21:\'$ $\':40:\'$ $\':15:\'$

this remark was made to lighten up the mood $\':41:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35886, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.119.151', 1061308237, 0, '

Quote (UtChaz @ Aug. 18 2003,23:36)

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Too bad you don't get off the ground without POL in the first place, none of ya... Not to mention have the lights, heaters, or vehicles you're so accustom to, except you Brentt... LOL Damn Hillbilly's...

True but yeah ain't gonna do a whole lot of damage if there's no bullets in that gun or bombs on that jet. Remember... If You Ain't Ammo, You Ain't Shit!

Seriously all career fields in the Air Force in one way or another support the mission. Just everyone thinks their's is the best.

$\':41:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35882, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1060304916, 0, 'That was not the intent of that sentence. AF and Marines are WAY different. So much so that Civilians are damn near as much Marine as the AF.

Same way the Army and Navy are WAY off. Army is Damn near a civilian equivilent to the example the Navy has set.

Maybe that cleared up what I meant.

I don't want to argue about who has done what. That is not what matters to me and that is not what I was saying. I think my statement just came off differently than intended.

Sorry if it got you spun up, Sir.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35881, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.118.150', 1060362428, 0, 'I think that they should go with Hawaiian shirts and surf shorts.

Good urban camo...baggy shirts are good for hiding side arms, long shorts are good for carrying knives, gps, etc....Plus you would look civilian, tourist like.

I am just kidding. I agree with Paco, going retro with the Khakis would be cool. I remeber my Dad had the OD fatuiges back in the day. I think he had about 4 different styles of uniforms at one point, depending on the mood of the world I suppose. If they want to get the MTVers interested in joining, they need to incorperate a "beanie" hat into the new uniforms, as well as some hemp looking shirts.', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35880, '111-1058428175', 1, 1, '12.211.127.223', 1060361779, 0, 'All this on the new AF uniform, and nothing has been said about what the Army is going to? Sorry I don't know where to find a pic, if nobody knows what I am talking about,maybe AKZJ could find a pic or two on it. HUGE improvement in my opinion, espically when you kit up. However I am not sure if it will be across the Army or just the combat arms. (correct me if I am wrong)', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35879, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060393506, 1, '

Quote (battyblue @ Aug. 08 2003,16:03)

Country boy have you ever been in the field?

Kinda irrelevant seeing the string's subject

Quote (battyblue @ Aug. 08 2003,16:03)

Pride in your uniform i have it says U.S. Air Force on it not burger king like some people i know.

Perhaps you should reconsider your own career, especially talking to a person in such a position as CB like that...

Quote (battyblue @ Aug. 08 2003,16:03)

When i am not in the field yes i do have a pressed(not starthed ) and boots that are black(hint read 2903)

You've got to be kindding me, you in the feild??? When exactly was this? Maybe you should be the one reading AFI 36-2903... Or better yet just look back a few posts and read the part where it says "Shined and in good repair"
Aw hell here take a peek at this AFI 36-2903, its on page 132, Table 2.5. Clothing/Accessory/Tattoo/Brand and Body Piercing Standards.

Don't know why you'd be so silly as to not have seen that prior to doing some bashing, but what the hell its open season I'm sure. Poor CB might not have been out being shot at but I've been. At that time things as trivial as shined boots just don't matter, but we aren't discussing that, now are we?

Don't start in with personal attacks newbie, especially on your 3rd post. Especially when you don't seem to know much about what you're talking about...

Edited:
Shit man, didn't see your post in the newbie thread. If he's really your bro then keep it up... Shit slinging in the family is ok, fromwhat've heard from the chimpanze's at the zoo...

Chaz $\':52:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35878, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.10.31', 1061010009, 1, 'From what is written in the AF times, they're holding off on sewing the rank on the test uniforms. But the new uniforms will have the same rank as now, just a different color. Also the patched will not be worn... Like I haven't heard that one before...!!!
Even AF Times did a write up on what AF people thought about it, 3 pages of opinions and probably one 4 of them "For" it...

Chaz $\':15:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35877, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1060616314, 0, 'those colors will work fine in all but the brightest light. Intent is a urban environment and hence there will always be shadows. These uniforms will work good for that.

But the Hat is stupid.

198.....we can toss that....lol', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35875, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1061234553, 0, 'Country boy you take things so seriously no wonder you are still av virgin and a charlie bravo but i still like you man oh yeah and exercises we are none players now so there $\':35:\'$ $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35876, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1061235890, 0, 'You should know me well enough. If you cant take it dont dish it. And as for a V and CB dont hate cause old girl likes me more than you. I cant help that. Someday a girl will like you and she may even show you her boobies if your lucky. Untill then dont try to make fun of people that have girls. As for the exercise your a non player huh. I guess that supports my claim of you cant walk the walk even more huh. If it was me I would wear MOPP for fun. So lets see what you got baby batter or whatever your name reffers too. I know you have a slight case of small penis syndrome that makes you feel that you can come on a web board and talk smack but lets see what you have in person choad. Beer for beer fag. Of coarse you will be buying since you made that new stripe. All in all your a chump plain and simple chollo.....', 1, 0, 2495, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (57606, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.208.235', 1081884202, 0, 'Damn you're quick Brian...

$\':41:\'$ $\':41:\'$ $\':40:\'$ $\':41:\'$ $\':41:\'$
$\':21:\'$ $\':15:\'$ $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 4109, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (52672, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.59', 1079992343, 0, 'Well sence i put on my 3 inch body lift i have a gay gap up front. well it is no more. cut off the bumper brackets and welded them higher. then i set up the winch bumper to were i wanted it. ill exlpain more in the pics.

here is the bracket that will go back on the frame and bolt to it then bolt to the bumper.

Here is a pic of bolth brackets for the winch bumper.

Heres a pic of the passanger bracket and the brace for the oem bumper brackets.

Heres a pic of how the brackets will bolth to the winch bumper the two bottom holes are all ready there but the other bolth would just add stregth.

here is a pic of some angle iron this will bolth to the oem bumper bracket but remember that the oem bumper brackets will be bracked from the back.

heres how the set up will look.

all the steel will be 3/8ths

what do you guys think. if you have any ideas i want to hear them. thanks guys.

nate', 1, 0, 3794, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (52299, '110-1077947577', 1, 1, '24.237.6.105', 1079755763, 0, 'Edgar Winter, long white hair, great guitar player! Currently listening to Megadeth - Holy wars $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3740, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (49536, '67-1060020956', 1, 1, '66.223.146.142', 1078369145, 0, 'Good to hear you made it there OK, take care and keep us updated.', 1, 0, 3517, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (49537, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1078369227, 0, 'Where's the best deal?

I have a pair of green AF ones, but they are pretty worn out. Also pretty flamable $\':24:\'$

Something like this... $30 from Dickies, but rather get something local.\n\n

', 1, 0, 3532, 1, '2475', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (49538, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.136.114', 1078369406, 0, 'looked like he had the yellowed skin of an un-healthy person.
I did not have coffee w/him...Any time I figure I might have to do some "Fucko-tossin"...I take a good look $\':34:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3516, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (49539, '82-1078362467', 1, 1, '66.82.9.43', 1078370142, 0, 'It's a deal on the jerky! Course if I had my way, I would probably go uni-mog! As it sits now, it already rides like a Hummer, so I don't really know if I would take one of those, military one I mean, I have no use for those show pieces they are putting out, but I already have SO many hours in one that I really don't want to go that route! I am pretty happy with this Scottsdale, it has the camper special on it as well, so I think that makes it pretty much a one-ton, but I don't think I am ready to start cutting up the sheet metal just yet.

How do you mate to transfer cases, and what is the benefit in doing that? Wouldn't it only help the front? And if it does, how does it effect driving? I mean the rear would be moving off of transfer case A at one range, while the front would be turning off of transfer case B, so wouldn't the rear be moving at a higher rate of speed? I assume that it involves a new front drive shaft, and an extra shifter out of the floor, but what else, and how hard is it to diy (Di it yourself) ? When you say weld the rear, what exactly are you talking about?

After reading around some, I know alot of guys here are heavy into the jeeps and such, but it begs the question of what is really the best off-roader out there? Do to all the mods there are out there, lets just say stock, then add-on what you would.', 1, 0, 3530, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (49533, '57-1059976191', 1, 1, '66.223.144.250', 1078368666, 0, 'It's not blue anymore, it's more of a see-thru color $\':24:\'$ His ghetto shit does serve a purpose Nate, the neighborhood kids will always need a playground. $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 3518, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35568, '97-1031819818', 1, 1, '24.237.50.211', 1060450702, 0, 'burning man festivial.

what you see is the remains of approx 40ft effigy of a man.
The party has been going on every year now for quite a few years in the nevada desert. Long story, If you want to know more, run a search on it and a whole bunch of stuff will pop up.
a freind went years ago, They had a drive by shooting area. Where as they lined up a rocky hill with stuffed animals. two partners, one driving, one operating you gun of choice, drove down the path and like 30 mph, the more stuffed animals you hit the higher your score. (one a note, there was a 3ft barrny in the line up that every one missed.)
I bushcompany dancer that I used to hang out with went about 5 years ago, she was with a goup that was protraying the seven deadly sins, she was lust, imagian that.
The place is made up of people from all walks of life. Kind of interesting really.

aktinbender $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35566, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '146.63.102.48', 1060382887, 0, 'Brentt you know that you and I don't always see eye to eye, but you are DEAD ON about this one. And the in the long run, this is the only one that really matters. Dan.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35567, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060387169, 1, 'Wasn't this thread suppose to be about UFO's???

Thanks Brentt, see what ya went and done... $\':6:\'$

Pablo has the right idea, why is it against God's will to have had other people on other planets? Just doesn't strike me as what life is all about. Hell though, that's the attitude almost "All" religions had about the slaves in the 116 & 17 hundreds. Black was the mark of Cain and just because they didn't know why they had black skin they were evil. Perhaps someday we'll meet someone (thing) from other than the Earth and find out they're just like us, and probably have a good book that says a bunch of stuff too.
So there... Neener, Neener, Neener... (Brentt...)

Chaz $\':52:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35565, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.193.10.117', 1060373159, 1, 'Religion and Faith in God = Two very different things...

God wrote the good book "through" man, so says man.
Religion = tool created to control the subservient so one group could attain and maintain power throughout time...

I believe in God, just don't believe in religion...
And no where has it been said, either in the books of the bible or other religious test, that life could not be on any other planet. But the flip side of it is, it didn't say it was...
So Brentt, what side will you believe in?
Hell, I didn't even realize you were religious... LOL
Either way, its hard to discount the "Millions" of claims by people "All Over" the world. Not just the popularity people in the U.S.

Just my opinion though.
Chaz', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35564, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.88.179', 1060310237, 0, 'Well I know for sure this is true:

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/004/S04392.html I have heard this same story from ALOT of people.

Loring is 15 mins from home if your wondering.

Didn"t they prove the crop circle thing though?\n\n

', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35562, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060401615, 0, '

Quote (98Taco @ Aug. 08 2003,18:49)

what the hell are they burning? (far right edge of pic, just above white tacoma)

the burning thingee

Its the communal trash fire... LOL

They aren't aliens, they've been probed by the aliens though, of that it seems so obvious...', 1, 0, 2478, 1, '1296', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (35563, '57-1058859024', 1, 1, '24.237.153.94', 1060504134, 0, 'interstellar wheeling

hmmmmm...maybe $\':50:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35561, '54-1048143128', 1, 1, '24.237.161.242', 1060388723, 0, '

Quote (AlaskaXJ @ Aug. 08 2003,16:54)

Read the Bible. Start with the New Testament. Most that set out to prove the Bible wrong on some point always have to conceed that it is infallable. Even Darwin believes now...

I think Einstien said something similar about what be believed before he died. Brentt said read the bible. Find one that doesn't have extra parts added to it, right brentt? :)

Moooooo

Or weird. $\':18:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35558, '112-1031629665', 1, 1, '24.237.88.254', 1060325031, 0, 'Never seen a report on tv or elsewhere that couldn't be explained. There are a lot of gullible people in this world who have a need to be different and stand out with a story of this or that. Then there are the idiots who intentionally produce fake photos etc.

They're all nuts in my opinion.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35559, '65-1042008354', 1, 1, '24.237.7.193', 1060374423, 0, 'Green guys at my house=empty 12 guage. $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35560, '112-1031629665', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060384461, 0, 'Another unworthy soul here in total agreement.

I'm reading Lance Armstrong's book about his strougle through cancer.. He mentions others that died. They (along with Lance) were unbelievers, and It made me sad to think that on their death bed that there was no spritual support for them. It is sobering to know that there are many people that I like that are really nice folks that are going to a very very terrible place for eternity when they die.

And who am I but a sinner,.. every hourof every day something bad goes through my mind.... so unworthy, but after all it is a "gift"... not something that you earn.. It is there for everyone, all you have to do is ask and repent.

If this post makes you mad, then I'm talking directly to you.

... off my pulpet. (I rarely do that, but needed to be said)

Paco', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35553, '57-1058859024', 1, 1, '24.237.153.217', 1060375078, 0, '

will make you see green men', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35554, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1060385058, 0, 'So let me get this straight. The Bible is 100% correct. So what about all the religions that beleive stuff other then whats in the bible? Does that mean it's all wrong? I'm not saying the stuff in there didn't happen, but I beleive some of it was way exagerated.

I'm going to hell because I don't beleive in Jesus?

Why does it always feel like when I'm talking to religious people I always feel like I'm being talked down to. Like they don't think I'm worthy of the air I breath?', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35555, '82-1053473053', 1, 1, '199.81.157.97', 1060460137, 0, 'I have never seen a UFO, so I am 50/50 on weather they exist or not.

I do, however, like the idea of us not being alone. I think that with a universe so big, it would be a waste of space to just have one planet with life.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35556, '97-1031819818', 1, 1, '24.237.50.211', 1060412680, 0, '

Quote (BadCo @ Aug. 08 2003,23:44)

In hell, you will be wheeling the Lexus that Peterson's 4 Wheel drive picked as the 4x4 of the year. And no, the spacial air conditioning won't work.

oh god, I swear I'll be good.
anything than that.

aktinbender $\':24:\'$ $\':6:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35557, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060659571, 0, '

Martians know quantum physics

The Reptilians: Humanity's Historical Link to the Serpent Race

$\':35:\'$ $\':40:\'$ $\':35:\'$

Now we're lizards...

LMFAO
Chaz', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33509, '65-1036297371', 1, 1, '24.237.117.175', 1065246570, 0, 'Get a rope........', 1, 0, 2349, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33510, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1064939004, 0, '86, I hear of your s-10 and that need's to be grounded! Dont ever take chances that a little weld here and a little bolt there shoud just do fine. You could end up killing some road sharing folk over a ich to drive your new project! Make all proude and take it back yo the drawing board. I have told customers take it out on a towtruck many times and if I was there befor you left I would have called the cop's! Not to be a dick but to save a life or two. $\':37:\'$ That kind of stuff will put lift law's is the red for this state. $\':38:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2349, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33501, '65-1060969062', 1, 1, '24.237.84.44', 1065076365, 0, 'finally the answer to the age old question!... $\':24:\'$ $\':24:\'$ $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2348, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33502, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1065157484, 0, ' $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2348, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33503, '67-1035386979', 1, 1, '12.17.138.179', 1065076187, 0, 'Chicken Joke __
A chicken and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is leaning against the headboard smoking a cigarette, with a satisfied smile on it's face.

The egg, looking a bit pissed off, grabs the sheet, rolls over, and says "Well, I guess we finally answered THAT question."', 1, 0, 2348, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33504, '114-1042432543', 1, 1, '24.237.11.221', 1065153504, 0, ' $\':37:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2348, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33505, '97-1031819818', 1, 1, '24.237.50.211', 1065245717, 0, 'yes, it's funnier after a few shots.

$\':35:\'$

aktinbender $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2348, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33499, '78-1064316080', 1, 1, '24.237.58.68', 1065078803, 0, 'thats messed up hehe g1', 1, 0, 2348, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33500, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.125.164', 1065164478, 0, 'Are we doing corny?

That was a funny yoke!

Guess that's what happens when you lay an egg...

I must be drunk.....again...', 1, 0, 2348, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33497, '70-1037038076', 1, 1, '66.58.207.239', 1065128614, 0, ' $\':39:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2348, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33498, '78-1064316080', 1, 1, '24.237.58.68', 1065171236, 0, ' $\':39:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2348, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35551, '65-1031611916', 1, 1, '24.237.59.64', 1060361683, 0, 'DO I think that there are things that fly around that 99.99% of the people in the world have no idea about. Absolutly. Do I think they are from Outerspace. Fuck no.

The Bible says nothing about life on anyplace but earth. SO, that is the way it is. End of discussion, have a nice life, see you on the flipside.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35552, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1060362087, 0, '

Quote (Alaska ZJ @ Aug. 08 2003,08:54)

The Bible says nothing about life on anyplace but earth.

IT says nothing about jeeps being cool either. But everyone seems to think they are.

Give me proof that there is no other planet in the universe that doesn't have life on it an I'll believe it. But for now I find it hard to beleive that Earth is the only planet that has life on it.

I've seen shit that I can't really explain flying around. But they where UFOs, "Unidentified flying objects" They where probably just airplanes, or meteors or what ever. But Still UFOs none the less.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35550, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.116.54', 1060661031, 0, 'I think God built humans from spare parts..."Let's see, thick skin...dang, I'm all out. Ok, fur...hmm, only a little hair left, mostly for men. Got plenty of these gill thingies, I'll call them tonsils or something. Front legs, shoot, all I have are short ones...arms it is. Only got crappy noses left and, well looky here, got plenty of brains. I think I will only wire in about 20% or so, don't need anything too fansy.".....I won't even get into the genitals....', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35548, '109-1060371659', 1, 1, '12.110.74.33', 1060389018, 0, 'I just have to throw my two cents in here. Last night I was checking out the thread with pic's of you all up on Baldy where the bomber is ("B-29, July 19th") About 19 messages down the string there is a nice picture posted by UtChaz. There's an odd looking something above the left vehicle. Now ya'll have been discussing UFO's all day.

By the way, I'm Rachel from the Valley, new member and about 125 lbs. Toss me at your own risk.:;):', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35549, '57-1058859024', 1, 1, '24.237.153.8', 1060414069, 0, '

Quote (98Taco @ Aug. 08 2003,19:49)

i think these people are aliens

no, they aren't aliens. but they should be shot into space(pointed at the sun preferably)', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35547, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.125.13', 1060411447, 0, 'In hell, you will be wheeling the Lexus that Peterson's 4 Wheel drive picked as the 4x4 of the year. And no, the spacial air conditioning won't work.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35546, '114-1032462701', 1, 1, '143.213.132.69', 1060366811, 0, 'I am also a believer in the Bible. I have also been to the AREA51 and a few of the other places. I can tell you that place is cool as hell and the air force has some cool junk their however, the security there is the best I have seen. As far as the media and the "believers" I don't think they have enough background to make responsible reports. For instance I was on a training exercise where a soldier was hurt and had to be transported via Blackhawk under blackout to a hospital. The reports by the media(California) claimed all kinds of things contrary to what really happened. What about ghosts?', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35543, '57-1058859024', 1, 1, '24.237.153.191', 1060669674, 0, 'BadCo- I think you're onto something $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35544, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.88.179', 1060400279, 0, 'Hmm, well at least they have a non-ghetto Travel All $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35545, '65-1034207668', 1, 1, '24.237.160.124', 1060375538, 0, 'thanks paco,
yeah, i attacked religion, kind of. i won't get into what i think of religion directly, but i know a number of religious people that are the nicest people i've ever had the pleasure of meeting. i won't bring up my problems with religion on here, that's not what this place is here for.

sorry if i helped everyone get off topic.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35542, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '146.63.102.48', 1060386843, 0, '

Quote

So what about all the religions that beleive stuff other then whats in the bible? Does that mean it's all wrong?

Where are the other religions leaders burried? How many people do you see making the trek to Jesus' grave? There is absolutely nothing you can do to earn your way into heaven. It's a gift. It's been paid for. Find out for yourself. Read the Bible. Start with the New Testament. Most that set out to prove the Bible wrong on some point always have to conceed that it is infallable. Even Darwin believes now...', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35539, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '146.63.102.48', 1060382762, 0, 'Speaking of the Denver airport... Take a look at this. Swastica Airport', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35540, '57-1058859024', 1, 1, '24.237.153.8', 1060417273, 0, 'having fun with photoshop?', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35541, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060662520, 1, 'Don't forget the lizard connection...

$\':39:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35537, '112-1031629665', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060371869, 0, 'Wow, now we are talking religion on the board.
98Taco, if you have no faith, then there isn't anything that I can tell you that would satify your questions over the web.

But Jesus loves you just the same dude.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35538, '54-1048143128', 1, 1, '24.237.15.125', 1060416621, 0, '

Quote (nate379 @ Aug. 08 2003,20:37)

Hmm, well at least they have a non-ghetto Travel All $\':1:\'$

What was that? Oh, by the way, I like your latest mods to the jeep. $\':1:\'$

Needs more lights.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33616, '65-1042008354', 1, 1, '24.237.7.193', 1065546967, 0, '

Quote (BadCo @ Oct. 07 2003,09:32)

I have seen a friend get worked with a riding crop at the BC. His wife was not impressed with the marks....we weren't supposed to be there...

I`ve been on the receiving end of that myself! Onyx likes to beat young men...sick and twisted...but fun. $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2359, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33615, '78-1064316080', 1, 1, '24.237.58.68', 1065514326, 0, 'while wooden spoons may have sentimental pain value I think their weight~force/contact area ratio is too high to inflict that much pain. I would favor a switch as earlier mentioned, or maybe a leather strap to really get that small surface area high velocity snap contact. In conclusion more study is required into this field to obtain any relevant conclusion.

Quote: "AK2AZ Posted on Oct. 06 2003,15:14
Spankins are good! Oooops...we were talking about another type of spanking!"

Perhaps our Sadist friend could aid in further research. $\':31:\'$ hehe', 1, 0, 2359, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33614, '115-1038111897', 1, 1, '12.104.79.27', 1065429787, 0, 'I got my moms suburban stuck trying to help a friend. ended up calling frosy and it took bolth his rigs and one of them snached blocked to get me out. so yeah im in deep shit. i got pics but have to get them from my friend. im going to get so much carp for this $\':31:\'$

Frosty: THANKS so much man! i owe you a shit load. let me know what i can do!! Thanks agin!', 1, 0, 2359, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33613, '99-1046210334', 1, 1, '12.21.208.37', 1065550958, 0, '

Quote (sledneck @ Oct. 06 2003,01:43)

I got my moms suburban stuck trying to help a friend. ended up calling frosy and it took bolth his rigs and one of them snached blocked to get me out. so yeah im in deep shit. i got pics but have to get them from my friend. im going to get so much carp for this $\':31:\'$

Frosty: THANKS so much man! i owe you a shit load. let me know what i can do!! Thanks agin!

Can't wait to see the pic's, I guess you were stuck in the river;I see you said you got alot of CARP...........', 1, 0, 2359, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33611, '114-1042432543', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1065453785, 0, 'Your either going to be grounded, or get it with the wooden spoon! $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2359, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33612, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.122.71', 1065505902, 0, 'Wooden Spoon?? How about a size 12 steel toe boot to your ass?? Just wait until your father get"s home wasn't a good thing. $\':38:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2359, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (39910, '82-1053473053', 1, 1, '24.237.117.212', 1071343692, 0, 'I would go with Full Traction. I would talk to Ed up at Northern. I believ that he installs Skyjacker so he could provide you with more info.

If I was to by a long arm kit right now, I would go with Rubicon Express. You could easily fit the 36-37" tires.

As for the D30, I would get rid of it and go with a 44.', 1, 0, 2768, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33825, '66-1064986549', 1, 1, '209.112.216.68', 1066355215, 0, 'I'm with AK-cruiser, WHAT IS WITH THIS WEIGHT THING ANYWAY????.....Seriously???.', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33826, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1066282986, 0, '

Quote (AlaskaXJ @ Oct. 15 2003,21:47)

All you know about me is that I care for the image of the OHD community in Alaska as a whole.
All I know about you is that you are stuck on private property, posted or not, and tarnishing that image. Make any excuse you want. Bottom line is you're in the wrong.

By the way, if you were stuck out on a trail, or on someones private property with permission, even unprepared, I'd have been there and pulled you out by now. Putz. Dan

Your welcome but dont get in that possition again. Dan, Has a point. The same places all you NEW GUY'S are playing in are my/others old play grounds. The problem is that some soul out here owns that land and im sure he may not be too happy with the way it's all tore up! The best place in town to go is the sand pits at the end of Diamond but I asure you slip your ass down in that hole the law will make a few trips to the jail for ya. I used to have a good time wheeling in town till (A)People started duppen off houshold trash = punctured tires or slashed! (B)We end up looking like part of the prob ©It get's flat out lame! You guy's like to lock the 4x4 in? Then take the time to plane a trip and run real trails that are Legal. What is all the talk about disrespecting local folk? Did I not catch a post? I know what my Jeep's can do, But still get sweaty palms pulling off the sickest stuff that just look's impossible! Hey, I love this spot as much as Dan and others, Keep us in mind at all times. Just as easy as you turn the key,we all can be without trail's to run! A little of $\':36:\'$ Go's a long way!', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33823, '66-1064986549', 1, 1, '209.112.216.68', 1066355147, 0, 'I'm with AK-cruiser, WHAT IS WITH THIS WEIGHT THING ANYWAY????.....Seriously???.', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33824, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.113.20', 1066282855, 0, 'Private property is not besides the point. You guys were wrong to "wheel" on someone elses property. No sign? BFD. That doesn't excuse it. You are the exact person that gives other wheelers a bad name. Fuck you, for that. Sure I don't know you, and I have no desire to.

Wheeling in town is for fags. What? Can't run any real trails? What are driving anyways, a Chevy half ton, extended cab, dual exhaust? I am sure you wear your hat on crooked too...', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33801, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1066295321, 0, 'Hick's this time of year? Can it be done? I have a fear of being stuck in a snow storm and having to leave the XJ. $\':37:\'$ I's wild that the snow level is like 4 foot deep back in that pass mid winter.', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33798, '89-1061157799', 1, 1, '12.21.211.227', 1065342338, 0, 'When did you build the front bumper?', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33799, '109-1044114688', 1, 1, '24.237.126.171', 1065386571, 0, 'Looks alot better than it did sitting in the garage.', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33800, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.72', 1066203873, 0, '

Quote (ranger @ Oct. 14 2003,21:37)

Nice ride! Do you have Longs or Smurfs in the front? Might be a consideration running the 38s.

all stock stuff up front i dont think that i will have a problem with it cause i am limited slip in the front and i know what breaks birfields and i drive easy. and there is lack of traction up here i think to get longs. if i have problems with them i will get them right now i have space axles and birfeilds so we will see how the hold up on a tough trail i am not worried', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33796, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.85', 1066350979, 0, 'yeah that would suck to get stuck in the snow', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33797, '65-1032938862', 1, 1, '66.58.134.207', 1065339833, 0, 'It looks sweet man. I'm glad to hear things haven't started exploding yet.', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33795, '114-1042432543', 1, 1, '24.237.11.221', 1066277314, 0, '

Quote (85toyflatbed @ Oct. 15 2003,00:44)

Quote (ranger @ Oct. 14 2003,21:37)

Nice ride! Do you have Longs or Smurfs in the front? Might be a consideration running the 38s.

You can never have enough spares! Always good insurance....', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33794, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1066276265, 0, 'If I had a toy it would be just like that! SICK!!!!!!!!!!! $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33792, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '66.58.220.67', 1065392392, 0, 'Looks sweat! $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33793, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.57', 1065410854, 0, '

Quote (greengo @ Oct. 05 2003,15:00)

looks good. getting ready to do something simular, rears up front and what not. did you get most of the front lift from the springs, or mostly from drop front hanger and shackles? how many and what leafs did you use up front? once again looks real good.

i have a 7 leaf hibred pack in the front it is 85 rear top 3 leafs and some other leafs from a rear lift pack. it is somthing that you have to play with to get it to work good. i put a 3 inch drop hanger and i have 8 inch long shackles that end up at close to 30 degree angle. the rear is a lifted with mostly lifted with 4 inch blocks and long shackles and some lift from moving the front hanger forward. i am runnin 52 in dodge springs with some leafs added and it is a 7 leaf pack. next year or later this winter i am thinkin that i will go coils. just cause i would like to do it once for the fun of building it.', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33775, '83-1048580683', 1, 1, '24.237.120.175', 1066183684, 0, 'FireMedic- One thing about the very few girls that I get along with......they know when I'm joking.

tigger- some of us "youngins" don't have to "get better" , we already do it better to begin with. $\':21:\'$

Edit: There, is that better?\n\n

', 1, 0, 2375, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33791, '65-1031627928', 1, 1, '24.237.126.214', 1065340324, 0, 'Those tires look familliar....
Looking good. There will be lots of toys on the trail this next summer.
Tim', 1, 0, 2380, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33773, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1066153062, 0, 'Happy B Day kiddo!!!', 1, 0, 2375, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33774, '116-1032745643', 1, 1, '209.112.212.158', 1066171544, 0, 'Happy Birthday Girlie.... only 26 huh? Don't worry the older you get the better you get... $\':43:\'$ I used to think 26 was OLD now I just think 23 and younger are youngins... Take care of yourself.. $\':41:\'$

P.S., I saw you cruisin around in the Jeep the other day but by the time I saw you, It was to late to wave....', 1, 0, 2375, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33757, '97-1064379495', 1, 1, '24.237.59.229', 1066160922, 0, 'Is it a green one. Somebody in my company had one witha plow and it was for sale.', 1, 0, 2373, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33756, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '24.237.96.100', 1066123931, 0, 'It probably does have the generation I AMC V8. Before you freak out since there isn't a tremendous amount of suppot for the gen. I engine, it is all forged internally. Although it isn't a candidate for drag racing, that engine is very strong. It is probably a Dana 44 front, but I wouldn't be suprised if it's got 19-spline shafts. For a J-20, the rear could be anything from a 44 up to a full-floating Dana 70.

RWC', 1, 0, 2373, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33734, '99-1041538216', 1, 1, '209.180.181.162', 1066073288, 0, '

Quote (UtChaz @ Oct. 08 2003,19:12)

Crash... Do you mean for towing?
The 4.0 6cyl is rated at 2,000lbs with the manual tranny; all others are 1,500lbs.
Hell it says that much in the owner's manual.
Other than towing my ride is fine, as would just about anyone else say the same...
I've hitched on to a trailer weighing in over 4,500 with trailer brakes and didn't have a single problem. Even tried a couple of panic stops to see what would happen and with the brakes on the trailer it worked fine...
It isn’t a truck but if you know what you’re doing…

Chaz

I was refering (poorly at that) to being a short wheelbase, I have always heard they tow stuff pretty bad, but I am comparing to my bb longbox chev which is a dream to tow with...', 1, 0, 2370, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33732, '70-1037038076', 1, 1, '66.58.207.239', 1065723768, 0, 'An ATV should be cake. I used to pull 2 snowmachines with my CJ-5. I would only use a TJ to pull anouther fulsize vehicle in an emergency though. That just isn't what it's made for. Got F-3FIDDY?', 1, 0, 2370, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33733, '79-1065324258', 1, 1, '12.21.209.209', 1065725857, 0, 'My 5 with the 302 pulled my Brothers Jeep from Wasilla to my house. Pulled good :)', 1, 0, 2370, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33729, '78-1046760946', 1, 1, '152.163.252.71', 1065666054, 0, 'that is what i wanted to hear , should be fine for 675 lbs 4 wheeler and the trailer weight, now to modify my trailer so it isn't a POS , and get a normal axle and wheels under it', 1, 0, 2370, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33730, '70-1037038076', 1, 1, '66.58.207.239', 1065736625, 0, 'Pulling isn't usually the problem....it's the stopping part that kills you.', 1, 0, 2370, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33731, '66-1035826732', 1, 1, '24.237.3.15', 1065639798, 0, 'I believe you are correct for the 2000 lbs, that is it "rated" towing capacity. Physically it can pull more, but due to the short wheel base stoping can become an issue, for example if the load is to heavy it can push through the jeep and jackknife it.', 1, 0, 2370, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33718, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1065947186, 0, 'Coming through the Boniface gate the other day I spotted a nice (really nice) mid to late 90's XJ, black, atleast a 4-6" lift, 33/35 inch tires, roof rack and spare mounted on the roof. New friend to the community or a visitor from outta the area??

Anyone know?', 1, 0, 2368, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33728, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1065600389, 0, 'Me and Chaz have had this exact discussion, according to the Owners Manual says 2000lbs. Dont quote me on that though, cause my TJ's pulled my 4500lb Bronco down the Glenn, and the XJ has pulled the same truck from Base to the Star. I can be totally sure an ATV would be a safe pull.', 1, 0, 2370, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33717, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.113.148', 1065984767, 0, 'There are several tall black XJs in the area. I installed a 4.5" on a 99 Sport about 2 years ago. Looks sharp, roof rack and 4 lights across the front of the rack. I think they are running 33x10.5s, not sure though. Ed Angel's old XJ is cruising the streets on a set of Dana 44s. There is also a guy at the Chrysler dealership that has 5.5" kit or something. He is on BFG M/Ts, pretty boy Jeep.

As far as friend to the community...you need to establish yourself as willing to better the community before you are a friend. A lot of our "enemies" are amongst us.', 1, 0, 2368, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33716, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '66.58.199.102', 1065987898, 0, ' $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2368, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33715, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066014774, 0, '

Quote (BadCo @ Oct. 12 2003,10:52)

As far as friend to the community...you need to establish yourself as willing to better the community before you are a friend. A lot of our "enemies" are amongst us.

LMAO, I should have specified, looked like a pavement pounder, had out of state plates, and was sitting at the Visitor center.', 1, 0, 2368, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35536, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.226.141', 1060389969, 0, '

Haha.. wow. That is what is known as a "Flying Rod".

http://www.roswellrods.com

Orrrrr.. a mosquito. Who knows? $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35535, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060308839, 1, '

Things seem to be running tense on the board lately. So I thought I might start this thread up to get to the philsophical side of life... I think we can do that without throwing too many stones...

So who believes in UFO's?
There are a ton of sites dedicated to just that.
The National UFO Reporting Center lists the latest and greatest reports of UFO's in the US. There has been 24 just so far this month... Even one right in the outskirts of Denver of all places.

So come on, speak up on how stupid or weird you might think this is. If you from the side that believes then post up some stories. As for me I'm torn between the two...
Oh and don't forget crop circles...
Here's a good site for those...

Chaz $\':52:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35534, '112-1031629665', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1060385318, 0, '

Quote

Why does it always feel like when I'm talking to religious people I always feel like I'm being talked down to. Like they don't think I'm worthy of the air I breath?

Phil nobody is worthy.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35533, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.88.179', 1060388908, 0, 'Hey Chaz.... neener neener neener?? why's that from? I used to call my brother than all the time, just thought it was made up $\':11:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33777, '102-1033711393', 1, 1, '24.237.125.75', 1066313383, 0, 'We had a fellow come by the shop today for some driveline work and he mentioned that he was looking for a mechanic to work with him in Talketna. He works for Mahays (sp) riverboat service. Works on boats and their tourist vans. He was looking for a good worker that knows how to turn a wrench. It isnt a year round job, but close to it. If anyone is interested pm me and Ill get you a phone # to call...', 1, 0, 2377, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33822, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '24.237.1.144', 1066282264, 0, 'Speak for yourself badco, i came here asking if anyone would be nice enough to pull us out, private property is beside the point. I've seen many people back there, and i've never EVER seen a sign there in my life. Maybe we're wrong, buts its not like you've never fucked up before.

And thanks to the people who offerd their assistance and to ODDBALL for helping us out with a problem.. sorry to those we've cause problems for.

matt', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33821, '116-1032745643', 1, 1, '66.58.216.110', 1066285113, 0, '

Quote (BadCo @ Oct. 15 2003,23:11)

Tigger- I don't read that board, so I would have no idea what they say on it. I couldn't understand the "dialect" they were speaking...it wasn't English...the few times a looked at it a couple of months ago.

OH... it seems like english to me but maybe because we post a lot in the Powder Room...lol', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33819, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '24.237.1.144', 1066283849, 0, 'Ok dad, whats its matter what we're running? whats its matter how we wear are clothes? Who made you police of the trails. Chill out man, you think all this bickering makes people stop, think again. Obsiously you didn't see my appology but that doesn't matter you're just a big bad tough guy and can talk trash online and that hasn't ever made a mistake in his life..

we're not in any way assiosated with akms, post there a couple times just like this board.', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33820, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.113.20', 1066284695, 0, '

Quote (dR_sLiM @ Oct. 15 2003,22:31)

.. sorry to those we've cause problems for.

matt

Wow. Tugged at the old heart strings. I think I am tearing up.

Dad? Only my kids can call me that.

Who made me police of the "trails"? First off, you were not on a trail. You were on someones property. Second, people like you made me look out for my hobby, sport and life. Your actions are reflecting bad on what I like to do. If your actions cause negative light on our sport, then why would I not be against what you do?

Tough guy? Call me tomorrow. 349-2629, Five Star Automotive. I own the shop, so I will answer the phone. Maybe we can have lunch and I will explain to you, in person, why you are wrong.

Tigger- I don't read that board, so I would have no idea what they say on it. I couldn't understand the "dialect" they were speaking...it wasn't English...the few times a looked at it a couple of months ago.', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33817, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '24.237.1.144', 1066273789, 0, 'Last i checked there isnt any private property signs....nor know of any that were taken down from there..

matt', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33818, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.219.26', 1066323555, 0, 'Oddball ur the Man and u do have a tight ride. Thanks for gettin the kids out of there. Instead of leaving a burned out, tire slashed, windows broke truck...you left only tracks.
The kids also said thx...the wise man once said " it's easy to play but hard to learn".', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33816, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1066275909, 0, 'Are you stil;l; stuck? I will head out now but have no idea what part of that trail your at. i will be in a CJ-5. $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33815, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '64.4.228.100', 1066275517, 0, 'If your still in the drink Saturday give me a call 696-0696. Ask for Phillip. I'll come pull you out then. I'm busying tommarow night. May be able to help you out friday night.', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33814, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066274980, 0, 'Oh boy, here we go again...
Dan it doesn't matter how much they're told they will still go and do the same thing they've thought was fine and dandy all along.
Bad name or not...
The don't care

Quote (nunw/gun @ Oct. 15, 2003, 19:10)

really i wasnt asking for you to critizize me

Chaz $\':15:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33813, '110-1065425590', 1, 1, '24.237.1.130', 1066273852, 0, 'doesnt say private property anywhere so how is one to know and really i wasnt asking for you to critizize me or where i go i was asking for help but thx for being a f*ing ahole anyways', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33812, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.94', 1066279637, 0, 'All you know about me is that I care for the image of the OHD community in Alaska as a whole.
All I know about you is that you are stuck on private property, posted or not, and tarnishing that image. Make any excuse you want. Bottom line is you're in the wrong.

By the way, if you were stuck out on a trail, or on someones private property with permission, even unprepared, I'd have been there and pulled you out by now. Putz. Dan', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33810, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.120.86', 1066279294, 0, 'I have no idea where 100th is, but if your still stuck tomorrow, I'll see what I can do. I get out of work around 6-7PM though, so it's gonna be dark.

830-2812', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33811, '110-1065425590', 1, 1, '24.237.1.130', 1066279462, 0, 'oddball ur the man thx and tight ride', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (39902, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.217.156', 1072390069, 0, 'WoW...
Too many $'s for me.
I've been tossing around the idea of some King sping overs and making my own hoop, perhaps with a cross brace over the engine.
I don't think it'd be too much work really, just have to hunt down Brook to get the bends right...
Chaz', 1, 0, 2768, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (39901, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1071318896, 0, 'I just got done looking at the Full-Traction, I was either informed or misinformed, whats the deal with the tri link rear??? Ive been under the impression that its bad to have it set up like that. Also it doesnt even come with shocks....WTF....over $2k and I still need to get shocks, thats kinda jacked up.', 1, 0, 2768, 2, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33808, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '24.237.1.144', 1066263342, 0, 'Actually yes...', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33809, '66-1031727621', 1, 1, '12.12.201.160', 1066291906, 0, '

Quote (nunw/gun @ Oct. 15 2003,23:43)

well im just some kid who doesnt have time to make trips way out of town and out of the way but at the same time im a kid who doesnt like to cause trouble and i just like to have a little fun without causing any trouble and i really dont see a problem with going back there now if a police officer or someone with a little authority told me not to go back there i would i understand it may be private property now but i didnt not know that because so many people were back there and the sandpits off of dimond are private property as well but i know this because (A) my friend lived right there and (B) it says all over so thats how i knew i work 40 hours a week and go to school full time so its kinda hard to just take a 5 hour drive to the middle of knowhere and get stuck i really would like to become part of this board and meet a lot of you but the attitude towards my newbieness really wasnt all that welcoming and sorry for being an ass but my truck was stuck and i didnt want anyone to vadalise it out there because i wouldnt have been able to get it out til tomorrow around 6 or 7 and im very thankful to the people who offered to help and even to those who dont care or think im stupid teenager who doesnt want to do anything but tear stuff up i just want to have a little fun in my truck without leaving town as you all know its hard to find stuff to do in town so i was making hte best of my options and dr slim is my brother im the one with the truck and id like to end the post right now by saying sorry for both of our attitudes towards you guys we shouldnt come onto your board and say stuff and id like to come out to a meet sometime if i get the time i dont like bogging by myself (if i may call it that even tho i have a weak little truck) because of the getting stuck deal and i like being with other people cause when ur with other people you go places out of town that are allowed and you can hvae more fun and not worry aout if u get stuck because u can get pulled out really easily if anyone posts after this id appreciate it if it was saying that we accept your appology or even if not if you could just stop the bashing on me and my brother and akms because we were in the wrong and we know that now so lets all take big deep breathes and cool down :) im up to meet some of you sometime :) (friendly of course)

Holy run on sentence Batman.

If I understood what you said, you are trying to justify what you did cause you are a KID and you do not know better or have the time to partake in wheeling on legal trails. Well its time for you to grow up and become a part of the solution rather than the problem. There are a few clubs here in town to join and that way you can find LEGAL places to have fun as well as being with other people that can help you out. If at that point you cannot either come up with the time or intelect to be one of the good guys, please sell your four wheel drive and buy a car.

And Dr Slim, defending someone doing something stupid is by far more stupid than actually doing someting stupid.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33806, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '24.237.1.144', 1066262672, 0, 'Hey would anyone like to help my brother, n i get unstuck, we are off on 100th back where there is a little mud, we arnt stuck that bad just need a little tug.. if anyone is willing to help you can give me a call @ 522-8036
help would be nice, thanks

matt', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33807, '116-1032745643', 1, 1, '209.112.212.158', 1066263303, 0, 'He wouldn't by any chance be NûNw/GûÑ? would he?', 1, 0, 2382, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33921, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.211.14', 1065414443, 0, 'Ya know ya got me on that one... Damn Toyota guys. It was MtnToy, not AlaskaToy. Tickets in two minutes...shiat!!
In general though, I really do think it's cool everyone so damn set on pushing their luck concerning the vehicle laws. That's what I was pointing out, nothing personal on you. If you read that thread you'll understand what I meant thinking you were the other guy. My appologies on that though, for the mix up.
I hope that there are a lot more people out there that'll push the limit so I can enjoy knowing what it is without paying for the tickets they get. Point closed on that...

Chaz', 1, 0, 2386, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33919, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1065158977, 0, 'cALL NORTHERN and ask about bead lock info. I think a few company's have a legal set but it will hurt the pocket!', 1, 0, 2386, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33920, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1065221579, 1, 'Hey Kidding...

Take a look at this web site.
13 AAC 04.001. Scope and Effect of Regulations

[quote=13 AAC 04.001. Scope and Effect of Regulations](b) Nothing in this chapter may be construed to prohibit equipment required by the United States Department of Transportation or the use of a part or accessory on a vehicle not inconsistent with the provisions of this chapter. A federal motor vehicle safety standard which conflicts with a provision of this chapter supercedes the provision in this chapter with respect to a vehicle which must comply with the federal standard.[/QUOTE]
Notice how Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards supercedes all provisions of the Alaskan law... Concerning Chapter 4. Motor Vehicle and Driving Offenses: Vehicle Equipment and Inspection

Dan is right though on the one company having DOT approval. It’s because they angle their bolts so as to compensate for the centrifugal force that usually breaks off and looses the other straight in type bolts. It was in last months Petersen's 4x4 and off-road I believe.

Chaz', 1, 0, 2386, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33918, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '146.63.102.86', 1065209533, 0, 'There is one manufacurer in the magazines that DOES have DOT approval now. However, not cheap. Don't remember the name though.

I'll be running dual beadlocks, inner and outer, but no one will be able to tell by looking. Heh- Heh- Heh. Dan', 1, 0, 2386, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33917, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1065199737, 0, 'If you purchase beadlocks a little letter will come along with them. If you purchase them from a reputible source that is. On this letter you will be notified that the wheels "Are Not" DOT approved. If "Any" cop wanted to they could pull you over and ticket/tow your vehicle for being unsafe due to an unapproved wheel.
So if you wanna risk it so be it. Be sure to watch the bolts, they tend to get stressed when used at highway speeds and then crack/loosen.

Chaz', 1, 0, 2386, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33915, '72-1064823738', 1, 1, '131.59.200.80', 1065588928, 0, 'They have a new bead lock wheel out that are street legal its in one of the new offroad mags I think its Petersons 4 wheel drive, cant remeber the title right now.', 1, 0, 2386, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (33916, '65-1037759158', 1, 1, '24.237.138.191', 1065389409, 0, 'definitive proof on the beadlock legality issue. I haven't seen anything that convinces me either way. But here's what Champion Wheel says about it:
"While tires have many pages of DOT regulations, wheels have only three. 1. The manufacture's name. 2. Date of manufacture and 3. Load rating must be specified. As you can see by this Beadlock wheels must meet DOT specifications. The usage is regulated by the manufacturer. Champion Beadlock wheels have been on the road in many different applications for more than 12 years successfully."

They seem to indicate in suppurt of YourKidding's posts. $\':32:\'$

As far as useful or not on a daily driver up here? Pure opinion is all that's presented here $\':40:\'$ My opinion is they are worth it if you can afford it. The comment about not needing to run low pressures is kinda funny. My experience is the lower the better.

My beadlocks should be here by mud November. $\':1:\'$ For my DD $\':42:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2386, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35122, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1068064046, 0, 'Hey man. I will tell you again to watch what you say at first and take everything as a grain of salt. Dont worry the shit stops flying when a new guy comes along and says something else dumb. As for the tread lightly issue. If you believe in it then pursue it and try to sway your friends ideas about it. Try to show them their ways are wrong and that it does nothing but hurt us all. But you don't have to leave the board due to a disagreement. If that was the case there would be no one on the board. Thats all. Out

Dan', 1, 0, 2450, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35119, '103-1061886867', 1, 1, '209.193.20.4', 1067965352, 0, 'got those arm drops, got h.d. steering brace, got skid plate package,i can swap the tail lights out before a trail ride so stop bitching..
i can yank the deck out in a matter of seconds so i won't get stole or ripped out by you fucksticks,and what is the story with the roofrack i wonder. now thats a must hear', 1, 0, 2450, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35120, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1067934492, 0, 'says who, you?', 1, 0, 2450, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35121, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '66.58.195.63', 1067805921, 0, ' $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2450, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35118, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '209.193.54.227', 1068182756, 0, '

Quote

gabes_jeep Posted on Nov. 05 2003,19:20

so i'm out,

Word life

Christ, English anyone??? Shows what they teach in School these days! $\':33:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2450, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34933, '83-1032835348', 1, 1, '24.237.203.72', 1067389555, 0, 'Taco King has the best mexican in town, being from Southern California I know $\':16:\'$ Carls Jr. is my favorite hamburger place, IN&OUT when in cali. Benihanas when i want the good stuff.', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34931, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1067375594, 0, 'CB when you eat at the Y don;t you to get on your knees and pray for it LOL $\':35:\'$ I know that was below the belt', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34932, '67-1060020956', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1067531736, 0, 'Burgers - Lucky Wishbone
Pizza - Mooses Tooth
Breakfast - IHOP or Village Inn
Mexican - haven't found one here (Tex-Mex elsewhere) but Chili's has great fajitas
Chinese - Ding How or Twin Dragon', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34930, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.112.214', 1067330673, 0, 'Burger King, McDonalds, Taco Hell, etc.

Chinese- Northern China on Muldoon is good. I always get the combo k.

Mexican- The Hacienda (sp?) on Debarr. The waitress aren't all that friendly, but the food is good and it's pretty cheap.

Pizza- best place is that one where you bake it yourself... they give you the pizza already made, just it's froze. I can't remember the name, but they's one on Boniface next to Carrs.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34929, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '66.58.195.63', 1067682891, 0, '

Quote (Chainman @ Oct. 31 2003,22:48)

Thai food. Nobody mentioned any Thai places.

Thai Village...spicy curry makes your hole body sweat. Great for flu season.

Steaks: theres a bar on Muldoon...stop laughing...it's on the east side just south of the Glenn. You grill your own. It's great atmoshphere. Nice music. I like to grill my own steaks, down shots of Don Julio Blanco and not do any dishes. Sorry I don't remember the name.

Mexican: Mexico in Alaska. BlackJack's right they serve Mexican food.

I think its called The Whaler..Chainman..\n\n

', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34927, '82-1053473053', 1, 1, '199.82.223.60', 1067374842, 0, 'Anyplace that has some kind of dollar menu.

After nine, Apple Bs half off appatizers.

Red Robin, good food, used to work there $\':2:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34928, '116-1032745643', 1, 1, '209.112.212.158', 1067377660, 0, '

Quote (Country Boy @ Oct. 28 2003,13:26)

So its lunch time now. Where to go. Time to read through everything and pick....Hmmm......So many choices....So little time..

yeah after talking about it one of our service advisors bought us Sourdough ~yummmy....', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34923, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1067359305, 0, 'Hmmm.....Yet to find a quality mexican place up here...So I may have to try a few of the ones suggested.
Oriental...Hmmm There are several. Just cant remember the names. They all sound the same.
The honking goose or noisey goose or What ever it is in Palmer across from fair grounds. Good breakfast.
Nothing beats mosses tooth pizza....Five cheese pizza kicks ass..
Red robin has good burgers but I have been to some place down town that was awsome. I think its the white spot...
Hmm..I wonder what I am having for lunch...', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34924, '73-1032280145', 1, 1, '66.58.185.75', 1067387788, 0, 'Marx Brothers Cafe....Best three hour meal you will ever have.

Bill $\':31:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34925, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '159.49.254.12', 1067731931, 0, 'Thanx 00TJ...The Whaler: for steaks', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34926, '98-1066465120', 1, 1, '64.12.96.45', 1067332469, 0, 'ok how about the cheepest place to eat that is good, add dollar values, im talking 6 bucks or under for a fat ass like me to be full! im new so i dont even know
and this is bad, cause you make me hungry
patrick', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34920, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '208.151.99.238', 1067376021, 0, 'Sourdough Mining Company..... Yum yum

Taco Hell when your tottaly lit

Red Robin is good

Hooters on Sunday's.. Football, women... good wings! plus $\':1:\'$

Outback!!', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34921, '70-1034710482', 1, 1, '65.239.41.171', 1067374495, 0, 'I would have to say Hooters has the best burgers in town, Pizza Man Pizza in Eagle River has the best pizza, and Burrito Azteca has the best Mexican this side of Mexico.', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34922, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.123.28', 1067321895, 0, 'With the current lull in the board, I am curious if anyone has a favorite place to chow down (no, not on that hot coffee girl).

For Mexican, I am all about Taco King on A St. and N. Lights. Open til 11pm, and on any given night, I am the only English speaking person in there, that says something.

For Chinese. Panda Resturant on N. Light, next to Midas. One of the best Mongolian Beefs in town. The #27 lunch special is an old favorite.

Good old American food. Double D's on Abbott Loop, near the new Fred Meyer's. The chili burger will give the gift that keeps on giving. Arctic Roadrunner (2 locations) on the Old Seward and Int'l makes a kick ass homestyle burger.

Pizza joint. Mooses Tooth. Great pizza, although the hempy atmosphere alomst detracts from it (like if you pass a drug test, you don't get hired). Good thing the beer is awesome. Personally, I think we need a New York style pizza place in town. I had some a winter ago in Troy, NY. I will tell you what, you haven't had pizza until you have been to New York. You even get the attitude that you are a moron for no extra charge!', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34916, '83-1043025125', 1, 1, '131.39.248.7', 1067531103, 0, 'Let me say that you guys down there suck! Of all the things to post!! We up here are jealous with our 10 or so food places to choose from up here in Squarebanks. That's okay... come May, I'll be back in the real U.S., and back to civilization!', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34917, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1067325585, 0, 'Sourdough Mining Complany, Best Prime Rib you can get in AK, Old Seward and Int Airport, behind peanut farm.', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34918, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1067375007, 0, 'What are you talking about Baby Batter. You aint ever eaten at the Y....Nor will you....Chollo...LOL

Forgot about LeRoys. Good eats there too. Especially when your a tad bit schnockered...', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34919, '57-1058859024', 1, 1, '24.237.154.138', 1067410343, 0, 'Burgers - White Spot or Roadside Inn

Chinese - Jewel Lake Pizza and Tea Garden (mmm Mongolian beef pizza) or Peking

Mexican - Yuck! I don't eat it.

Steak - Lonestar

Pizza - Pioneer Pizza or Yukon's

Lately, the only time I've eatin out is at McDonalds. $\':44:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34913, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '159.49.254.12', 1067669299, 0, 'Thai food. Nobody mentioned any Thai places.

Thai Village...spicy curry makes your hole body sweat. Great for flu season.

Steaks: theres a bar on Muldoon...stop laughing...it's on the east side just south of the Glenn. You grill your own. It's great atmoshphere. Nice music. I like to grill my own steaks, down shots of Don Julio Blanco and not do any dishes. Sorry I don't remember the name.

Mexican: Mexico in Alaska. BlackJack's right they serve Mexican food.', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34914, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '12.32.63.104', 1067326856, 0, 'Damn, now I'm hungry, and i have no money. haha.. Ramen for me too!', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34915, '66-1031727621', 1, 1, '209.193.39.197', 1067373951, 0, 'Pizza : Mooses Tooth

Mexican: Mexico in Alaska (WARNING do not go here if you want tex-mex as they have no such thing)

Chinese: Emperial Palace (has the best Sesame chicken)
Jewel Lake Mongolian Grill for lunch

Just need something to eat: Village Inn', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34153, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066709112, 0, 'Charlie is in the tree $\':15:\'$ oh no wait a min. it is only CB and the EET $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34912, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1067558791, 0, 'I still like eating at the Y good stuff when it is fresh $\':33:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34152, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066664406, 0, 'Sometimes the military treats us like children, oh well, what ya gonna do?!?', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34151, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '209.112.217.150', 1066574701, 0, 'They're human, they don't draw lines unless it suits them...
No offense Dan but some of these poeple in the decision making process need to be shot.
They're lucky we not in an all out shooting war depending on the same people they're currently screwing for their jollies... $\':38:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34149, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066791120, 0, 'I want to find out who is talking on that dam loud speker. I think they rode the short bus to school', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34150, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.122.19', 1066567275, 0, 'So very true.... Not so common common sense...

Excercises always end up being a game at hiding from EET.

12s isn't bad at all, though it does make the 8 days seem more like 10 or 11.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34146, '69-1063231806', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066647478, 0, 'Well, my first exercise pretty much sucks....... but at least we have cameras on all of our entrances so we know when they're coming......... Not much action here on the mid shift though........ I can't believe they called us to inform us that we need to hydrate often....... so we can be hydrated.......
geee ya think so........ did ya figure that one out all by yourself buddy.......', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34147, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '66.58.220.67', 1066564541, 0, 'Kind of in the same category as smoking around diesel.', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34148, '83-1032930254', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066464339, 0, '

Quote (battyblue @ Oct. 18 2003,00:59)

it only took me 1 1/2 hours to proccess looks like they may have thier shit together

You must have been one of the people i was giving the DEATH STARE to. I was in the BIG chalk that sat there ALL NIGHT AND DAY. Once again $\':21:\'$ to the mighty JMC', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34145, '67-1060020956', 1, 1, '24.237.88.214', 1066714399, 0, 'Info grams not EET!, and be carefull normally you don't get killed unless you not aware of your surroundings $\':15:\'$
$\':39:\'$

Be safe, have fun, and when all is done... $\':35:\'$ $\':1:\'$

Later\n\n

', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34143, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '66.58.220.67', 1066567796, 0, 'Were do you draw the line when it comes to safety though...\n\n

', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34144, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066623764, 0, 'I hear you guys. I agree with you on some of the BS out there. I dont like it up here and I am stuck so I have to be here. Nothing like being placed in a job even when you tell them you dont want to go. Oh well. I can see the other side of things. But there are times when its a little fishy if you ask me. But Some of you know me. I dont give a horses ass about much. Dont be dumb and we get along. Being dumb is always up to me.. LOL......But I will say this. Its not always the actual inspector. Sometimes the stuff comes from a higher source....If you know what I mean. Cause even we get the $\':33:\'$ .... $\':38:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34140, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.127.147', 1066713123, 0, 'Yeah those infogram deals on the radio were pissing me off too. Remember to hydrate, use your T.Os, all common sense stuff.

It'd be cool if they gave us M-16s loaded with blanks and we could "kill" the EET guys. Would be a bit more fun.

They tried to dumb kill me this morning before I even started work! $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34141, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066559524, 0, 'Thats good for ya chazz. I am sure you need to be harased a little.', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34142, '115-1035704300', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066559827, 0, 'hey CB explain this 1 to me. How is it so dangerous to smoke next to a gas grill? It seems some of your EET guys seem to believe that it is a huge danger. $\':42:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34139, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066463347, 0, 'I feal for the guys that process. That has to be the worst part of the whole thing.17 hours yikes man that sucks.

Yeah I tend not to wear my saudi rag on my head thing. People look at me wierd. Not that dont already but its just that much more.', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34136, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066632311, 0, 'oh yeah drawing the line at safty , that is what sim tape is for AKA duct tape $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34137, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066562020, 0, 'Thats just one of those things man. I hear you on that one.', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34138, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066541592, 0, 'Can you say "This Sucks!!!"
I am so fed up with wearin gear while others walk around without...
I fyou process you get to wear it but if you don't process you're spared having to wear it until Phase II start...???
What a Charlie Foxtrot...

Chaz $\':15:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34133, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066555539, 0, 'I doubt it!!!
They hound me no matter where I hide!
Damn blood hounds if I have ever seen 'em.', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34134, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066480433, 0, 'What????
You deserve to stick around with the rest of us until 6, you slacker...
EET has made you weak!!!

Damn Idahoans', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34135, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066560420, 0, 'I dont think buring one next to a grill is a danger unless the gas is on. Thats kind of dumb if you ask me. I can understand smoking next to a bowser or something but thats Iffy if you ask me.', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34131, '69-1063231806', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066652030, 0, 'LOL.......', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34132, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066476178, 0, 'Thirty minutes more to go till

$\':1:\'$ $\':35:\'$ $\':44:\'$ $\':33:\'$ $\':32:\'$ $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34130, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066452016, 0, 'Dont hate the messenger nate we enforce the regs thats it. I cant say anything about bogus statments but I do know that QA and EET help more than you know. If you screw up or do something wrong then accept that. I dont know if you do it right or wrong but most people think they are doing it right and they are not. So they have to be corrected. Thats it man. Most of us arent pricks. I cant say for all. But we are more fair than you think. Just be civil to us and we will be back.', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34125, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066463725, 0, 'Osan.... Ha Ha Ha
Try Kunsan in '88
You'd really see what it was like to have someone attacking you.
We had ROK marines storming the base through a live mine field.
To the best of my knowledge they lost a few guys doing that.
It was pretty awesome to see those vulcan's letting loose, blanks or not!!!
Since then its been down hill though, as soon as Team Stupid disappeared so did the real war games!
Chaz', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34126, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066522609, 0, 'What ever Chazz. 1600-0400. Suck it....... $\':21:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34127, '85-1040364798', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066561629, 0, 'Absolute power corrupts absolutely...', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34128, '67-1060020956', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066528455, 0, 'Yes , Plenty to inspect this morning, then references to look up and so on... just a little slow this evening!!', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34129, '98-1060386742', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066464909, 0, 'I was in there the first day you all must have been that medical chalk. I have been there longer thought i was there for a little over 13 hrs one time but i was leaving for a "real world" deployment. Maybe the shoud just simulate it like they do everything else hey i might just put some blue duct tape on my chair and sim me being here and go drink some beers. CB are you in $\':15:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2392, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34056, '83-1058696111', 1, 1, '12.32.63.118', 1066554764, 0, '

Quote (85toyflatbed @ Oct. 18 2003,22:25)

i have never been stuck i have a Toyota $\':41:\'$

I can cure that for you!

Gus', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34055, '79-1065324258', 1, 1, '12.21.208.170', 1066525206, 0, 'Lower Hatchers Pass '03. Was told not to try the hole. Said that it has swallowed 2 vehicles in the pass. Well... We got about half way across and sunk. 40" boggers just went out of site! We had to get pulled out from the back by Greg.', 1, 0, 2390, 1, '1530', 0, 'image/pjpeg'), (34054, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066477998, 0, 'Alright all. Just thought about stucks from the past. How about some brief yet informative stories of your worst or most memorable stucks. I like hearing about these so lets hear them. Pics great. And give what you learned.

I'll go first. Last Feb when a guy I know asked to go out to knik. Well short storie. He said to drive over here. I did next thing I know I am sitting in about 4 feet of frezzing ass water. We hiked out about two miles and meet some Snowmobilers. Luckly he had a cell. Called sage. Well after I thawed out and a MRE sage, frosty, nate, and curtis showed up. After alot of Hard work we yanked my POS out of the drink. Well no start. Frozen fuel lines. Frosty towed me out to the trail head. Well manual steering and manual drums dont go good in snow. Next thing I know Im swinging side to side then boom bang bam. On my side. Well with all the frozen river water in the bronco my seat belts were froze to the floor. Well I was thrown across the rig. And everything in the back seemed like it landed on me. Well came to frostys face peering at me through my drivers side window. Well after quick work they got the bronco back on its rubber. Towed it out thawed it out and I drove it home. Sore but got it home.

Moral. Dont go out where you have never been alone. Tell someone where your going. Take suffiecent supplies. Dont get in the water in FEB. Carry some kind of communication device. Tie your gear down. WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT NO MATTER WHAT. And I meen that one cause if I would have I wouldent have had broken ribs. And drum brakes and manual steering suck bad......I learned that one again at boulder creek...

Thanks again to you all for saving my butt. Sage, Ryan, Nate, Curtis, IMNAKED. You guys are the shizzle nit. I owe you all.

So lets hear these.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34052, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.22', 1066544713, 0, 'i have never been stuck i have a Toyota $\':41:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34053, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.136.56', 1066507558, 0, 'Was March 97. yeah I'm going to the Knik. Freinds told me it was an easy run...even in the winter...cool easy run...I'm a rookie...solo...YJ on 31's...why not?

So it's about 10am nice sunny day and I'm headin out on the flats...in 2 wheel drive...ha this is gonna be so easy.
I go thru a couple of water holes, so far so good. I'm stayin close to the trees, ya know, just in case, cause I got a winch. Oh yeah a buddy gave me this winch. A BOAT TRAILER winch rated for 3500lbs. So I rigged up a mount for the front and back. This is the winch that has a hand crank(yea that one). Now I'd gotten 2 snatch blocks and extra cable cuz... I did know that 3500lbs was a light winch for a jeep. I was about to find out how light.
As I'm making my way I see a larger water hole that looks as easy as the others. I drop into it and it ain't as easy as the others. The YJ drops and ya can hear chunks of ice thump into skid plates, axles tubes and prolly gas tank too.
At this point I wish I'd been in 4 wheel drive much sooner. The water is up to the rocker panels and I'm about 5' from dry ground(ok dry ice).
I climb across the hood and jump to dry ice. The jeep is about 100' to the nearest tree. So I get my tow straps, cables, blocks etc. The straps and cable make it to the tree just fine. I do gotta get my hands wet to get the winch cable spooled out but hell it's still a nice day...the sun is shining.
Now I had never wired up a winch before and this gift had no manaul so...I ran a 10g. power lead & ground. It was fused with a 40 amp fuse...LOL...LOL...LOL
As soon as I had tension on the winch line...the fuse blew.
I got my extra fuses and replaced it. Decided to put one of the snatch blocks in mix...Put tension on the line and...the fuse blew. About this time I figured I was getting some experience...about winchin, about wheelin...experience the old fashioned way. I replace the fuse and run my cable to use both snatch blocks. I barley got enough cable for this and I gotta run it a couple of times to get any tension outta it. As soon as I get the combination right...3 different cables...3 tow straps and the 30' thats on the winch with 2 blocks.
I mustta been screwin with this for 1-2 hours and it's gettin old and I'm gettin cold.
I pull up the slack get some tension the jeep moves an inch...and the fuse blew...again...then the clouds came...the wind shifted blowing that cool breeze from the glacier.
It is gonna be a long day.
I worked at the snatch block combinations...adjusted cable...replaced fuses...get tension on the line...try and move the jeep with it's own power...a little...ran out of fuses...shoved wire into the fuse holder...
Got to the point where every full pull of the winch I'd move about 3-6 inches. Snatch blocks and tow strap=lotta stretch, slack. Tired, cold 5-6 hours later... I git the YJ outta the friggin hole. Gather up my crap and head home.
That was my last solo winter trip. That was also the last time I told Mrs. Chainman when I'd get home...now I just say when I'm leavin and when I gotta show up at work.
Yep experience the old fashoined way...the hard way', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34051, '101-1064183325', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066702398, 0, 'worst stuck had to be ft rich a couple of dodge guys said you cant make it. It was on,I spun up my jeep through the first mud hole caught air ended up in the second mud hole front tires popped out of the mudd and it was over. when i got out of the jeep the mudd was up to my back windows and sinking while it sat. Two dodges and a toyota hooked up to me to try and go foward the train did not work.It took the toyata to pull me out backwards.', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34048, '82-1053473053', 1, 1, '199.81.157.97', 1066767938, 0, 'Yea that was a lot of fun, at least we got some winching practice $\':32:\'$ I will try to find the pictures and see if any of them turned out good. Probably not though it got dark pretty fast.', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34049, '74-1032479542', 1, 1, '24.237.216.235', 1066540830, 0, '

i think you all know the story...

....and this is what i Learned (among many other things)\n\n

', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34050, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066478865, 0, 'B-29 in July, Followed Brentt...Need I say anymore? He said look solid, I said OK, I then waited and watched the OneTon get swallowed. After seeing the only truck to not get stuck all day disapear, I kinda started feeling ill. After waiting with Paco and watching the other 6-7 rigs winch to each other, we got bored and spent some time winching against each other. Finally got me out only to get stuck another 50ft down. God that shi! stinks up there.

Lessons learned? Leave the full top on...spend an extra quarter and get better zip-ties, my 60ft skidmarks into the tree line should prove that one when a sway bar jams the steering. Oh yeah and most important, DO NOT FOLLOW BRENTTS LINE!!!', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34046, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '64.4.228.100', 1066526304, 0, 'HAHa I was wondering if that was going to be yours Frank:) We told ya in swallowed an Early and Fullsize bronco didn't we:)', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34047, '69-1063231806', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066739446, 0, 'We hit that mud hole on Ft. Rich when 95zj and rowdy red took me out wheeling....... We knew none of us were gonna make it through but Rowdy went in for shits and giggles..... it took us about 45 minutes to get him out of there. He was about bumper deep in mud....... we had taken some pictures but it was pretty dark so I don't think they came out all to well.', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34045, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.119.61', 1066496583, 0, '

Quote (Badcop @ Oct. 18 2003,05:07)

my 60ft skidmarks into the tree line

Did you eat mexican or something?

Back in '95, a couple friends of mine took us to Knik. We had tried going to the glacier a couple of times, but could never make it. You guys know that one area in the trees, just before the beaver ponds, that you can go high and not have any trouble, or go low into a nasty pit? We went high on the way in, then my buddy decides that he is going to go trough the nasty pit. Ok, cool. We all were wheeling Long bed Chevy's back then. Heavy trucks. He made it about 6 feet and was stuck in the ruts. He battled the ruts for about half an hour until he lost the bead on his left front tire. We changed that in 2 feet of mud, nasty. Got him moving again, until he got hung up on a stump somewhere under all the goo. He had a winch, but no snatch block, or tree saver. 8000lb. winch is not enough for a 3/4 ton Chevy that is wheels under.
I spent the night with him, so his truck didn't get vandalized. Some of our friends went to call Valley towing. They in turn called some drunk guys with huge tour buggies. I watched in awe as the 2 buggies, strapped together, used a rear mounted 12,000lb. Warn winch as a snatch strap. I saw sparks, and then the winch didn't work anymore, big surprise. About 5am, I decided it was time to head out. So, with 4 people (my buddy was not small, probably 275 at the time) all crammed into my truck and drove to Anchorage. I slept for 15 minutes, then went to work.
The truck was finally pulled out the next day. Valley towing sank one of there trucks in Friday creek trying to get there. Sent another truck, this one actually didn't do much to pull out the Chevy. The trucks winch and a borrowed snatch block were used to pull her free. Valley towing charged him $900 for there trouble....which his insurance covered.
That was not a great way to spend a birthday. My parents had made dinner for me...but I never showed. Cell phones weren't as common back then, so I couldn't call.
I learned: bring food (we were out within hours), bring recovery gear, and bring a shovel.', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34044, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.45', 1066552423, 0, '

Quote (Chainman @ Oct. 18 2003,22:49)

If your the Trevor I'm thinking of...you was stuck in Sheep Creek...and Jeeps pulled you out...LOL...or maybe you winched yourself out...but ya was stuck all the same.

Back in 98 we was running Boulder Creek(when it was harder) and you got a flat in your cruiser...Rock cut into the sidewall and you had NO SPARE. The other cruiser dude had no spare...but you was surrounded by spares for 5 on 5.5 or 5 on 4.5 yeah thats right JEEP spares...LOL...how could your Toy get a flat? I understand that could happen to a Jeep...but a Toy...

If this is that Trevor...it's good to see you again dude.
If this is not that Trevor...your flatbed kicks ass nicely fuggin done...Hell yeah nice rig

not me but that is funny i used to have crusier. i have been stuck more times than i can remember. the worst would have had to been in the snow about 4 years ago i buned up my winch trying to get out. i had some wide ass tires at the time and no one could get to me. i had just goten a new 700 rmk it was the only thing that i could get to it. so i spent a good 3 hours packing a trail and then waited for the snow to get hard and then hooked up to my truck and a buddy ride my sled and pulled it out with that.', 1, 0, 2390, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34028, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '209.165.180.254', 1066758260, 0, 'I think this bronco is a little out of my range, not just price, but mods, gas mileage ect.. my friends brother has a bronco2 that he probably would let go for dirt cheap, as far as i know it runs good just a few minor problems i will need to talk with him. Is there any sites anyone knows about accessories for II's?

Maddening - i would like a vechicle that can do a variety of things like the trails here in AK. But i would like it so make it through some mudd mostly, i dont have high expectations, which may or may not be good.

Bronco II are like jeeps im guessing? How much are they alike and how much are they different?', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34029, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.209.17', 1066760405, 0, 'Nope a Bronco II would be a nice rig...Just drop in a 435 w/205 HP44 and 9" cut to EB width...lift up...cut it up...yep nice little Ford.
Hard top. Radio and heater. Real comfy rig.', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34027, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '24.237.1.144', 1066728004, 0, 'Well, i am more intrested in mud, then rocks, then water, then snow. i love the mud and if/when i get a vechicle i want it to be for mud for the most part. But this right here is beside the point of my topic.

Matt', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34026, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '24.237.1.144', 1066717581, 0, 'Well, i have ZERO Experience driving in mud, are yotas and jeeps easier to handle and drive? We had a 1985 CJ-7 for a while, we completely rebuilt it, then to sell it months later. I was also a lot younger and didn't have the sense of driving as i do now. So im completely clueless.

I will still try to get information on this bronco. and see if he would go any lower on the price. Maybe $2000-$2500?

*EDIT

Badco, or anyone else that would like to talk about this.
Do you have or use MSN Messenger or AOL-Aim, it probably would be a lot easier to communicate through that then the forums, If not this also works. AOL = gTToBLuz MSN = j4bb3rw4lk1e@hotmail.com\n\n

', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34024, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '209.165.180.254', 1066760180, 0, 'Heh, im speechless :P', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34025, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1066777023, 0, 'I thought it only had 4.10 dude I want those axle $\':40:\'$

Heck I'll swap them over myself if I have too $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34019, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.228.59', 1066729109, 0, 'http://www.kbb.com

They say $2000 even in mint condition.', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34020, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1066759045, 0, '

Quote (dR_sLiM @ Oct. 21 2003,09:44)

Bronco II are like jeeps im guessing? How much are they alike and how much are they different?

Naw Jeeps are 10 times better then Bronco 2. BII where a mistake that wasn't caught in time.

$\':40:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34021, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1066776623, 0, 'lmao, sell yah a fullsize 88 xlt, 302, 3" lift, locked rear axle, 4.56 gearing, you put the full injection back on. 1000$', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34022, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.123.162', 1066716575, 0, 'Carbuereted, TTB, fullsize....Barf. Too big for most of the trails we run. (Phil- how many times do you get stuck?) $3000 is a bit steep for what it is. A Toyota or Jeep would be more appropriate for the trails here in Alaska.', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34023, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.228.59', 1066728864, 0, '

Quote (dR_sLiM @ Oct. 21 2003,02:20)

Well, i am more intrested in mud, then rocks, then water, then snow. i love the mud and if/when i get a vechicle i want it to be for mud for the most part. But this right here is beside the point of my topic.

Matt

Well.. no it's not beside the point of your topic actually.. you've now stated, that you're looking mainly for a vehicle, for only mud. Which if that is the case, the Bronco will serve you fine, since you don't care about flexing or suspension travel.

The price is too high, even in mint condition $3000 might just be acceptable IMHO..', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34018, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '24.237.1.144', 1066715393, 0, 'Well this kid at school is selling an 84 Bronco for $3000. The body is in Almost perfect condition. I looked inside and there are just panels missing from the side and it looks fairly clean. I don't know what the engine is like i haven't talked to the kid yet, or no how many miles is on it. Just know from the looks of it.
This is a manual transmission, But i was wondering if this sounds like a decent deal? I don't know much about 4Wheeling, Im really intrested in getting into the sport but im not that smart in the subject yet.
I Will hopefully find more information about it tomorrow at school (10/21) and post some additional information on it. Judging by the information i've given, do you think you could get him to go any lower or is this about normal for this vechicle?
It looks completely stock to the bone.
Im guessing panels arn't expensive. I really want to look into this, this would be my first vechicle. I still need to get my liceanse but would this make a good first car, and bogger?
thanks for the help and replys

Matt', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34017, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '209.165.180.254', 1066767792, 0, 'i dont have that kind of money, or any money for that fact. I cannot get a job right away either because of a business my mom is starting and needs my help all of the weekends in november. i probably wont have an income till after nov. but i was thinking of taking a $3000 loan, from my parents/bank get something cheap and drop a few mods into, $3000 is about 75$ a month or so. hopefully that would work.

Get the Bronco II for like $1000-$1500 leaving me with some money to spend on a few mods.

Matt', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34015, '77-1032767337', 1, 1, '64.4.228.59', 1066725218, 0, 'You keep saying "bogger" and "mud".. Alaska is made of so much more than mud bogging. In fact mud is a very small part of many trails. Mud sucks! $\':38:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34016, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1066749008, 0, 'Hey Hey Hey, Don't dog on the bronco without me being here to defend it:)

First off 84 with a I6 300. Stay as far away from this engine as you can. My parents owned one for about 14 years then I got it for a couple, then my buddy. The a guy on this board chopped it up $\':39:\'$ Anyways this thing has vacuum lines from hell!! unless you plan on replacing everysingle one of them.

I think broncos are pretty good rigs for a daily driver. They are great in the snow with the stock tires and stuff.

Um Kurt. I'm not going to answer that question. Getting stuck is part of the fun. Alteast thats what I keep telling myself $\':21:\'$

ok back to the 84. Check KBB I bet that bronco only goes for around $2000 market value. But it it looks good check the bottom of the tailgate, round the fenders, and right behind the door on the bottom. They are places that the broncos will rust out the most. So it's probably been repair if it has. Make sure it was done good or it will be back in short order.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2389, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34911, '55-1053384828', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1067376398, 0, 'Hey Bladder Splatter..Tell me about it when you dont have to pay for it...

So its lunch time now. Where to go. Time to read through everything and pick....Hmmm......So many choices....So little time..', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34910, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '66.58.195.63', 1067330934, 0, '

Quote (Trigger @ Oct. 27 2003,22:40)

Im all about Red Robin, Lonestar has AWESOME steak, Chilys fajitas, Los Arcos, A&W is good for lunch time as well as Costco. Those are my usual places, but I eat out a lot, so Ive been to quite a few places. Those are my favorites tho.

A&W ..Ahh good choice..If you guys can catch me at any of the A&W's in town look for me ..I will give you a surprise..', 1, 0, 2438, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34490, '78-1064316080', 1, 1, '24.237.58.68', 1066977386, 0, 'any1 familiar w/ 'Zoey offroad'? Just wondering cause they have the most obnoxious radio commercials so they must be the best...', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34491, '116-1032745643', 1, 1, '209.112.212.158', 1067026602, 0, '

Quote (Overlord @ Oct. 24 2003,13:15)

Women, you can't live with them, you can't shoot them. $\':34:\'$

you are so right there....', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34488, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '66.58.147.167', 1067029611, 0, 'Its easy, Motors , Football, and some kind of beverage. Its a simply concept to understand :P', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34489, '101-1064183325', 1, 1, '209.193.49.85', 1066931926, 0, 'five stare auto i think is one of the best places. you also have northern 4x4 ed is a goo guy', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34487, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1067026566, 0, '

Quote (tigger @ Oct. 24 2003,12:14)

Quote (Steph @ Oct. 24 2003,13:11)

The FB's wife and I agree.....who can understand a man? LOL

I honestly don't think even a man understands why they do what they do...*shrug*

but back on topic.... 5 star $\':24:\'$

So true! $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34484, '48-1032411197', 1, 1, '66.58.199.102', 1066950170, 0, 'I have gotten good deals at Northern4x4 and 5 Star..', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34485, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '209.112.137.61', 1066980467, 0, 'I do pretty much all my shopping at Northern, Ed is always willing to help, and they do great work.... I'll start throwing some buisness 5 star's way too, just because BadCo is just so damn sexy, aside from his affection for sheep! $\':21:\'$ \n\n

', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34486, '83-1048580683', 1, 1, '24.237.116.119', 1067019274, 0, '

Quote (Badcop @ Oct. 24 2003,00:37)

what in the hell??? when did kurt become a sex symbol???

When he started dating me........ $\':32:\'$

Don't be mad Badcop, your sexy in your own "special" way.... $\':21:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34483, '100-1064943505', 1, 1, '209.165.180.254', 1066930646, 0, 'Does anyone know any good places on the internet or in town with good prices on general parts and accessories? Just browsing not looking for anything special. $\':41:\'$

Matt
ps. hope too meet some of you guys tonight at tony romans', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34482, '83-1048580683', 1, 1, '24.237.128.214', 1067025076, 0, 'Isn't that the way it is in every relationship though....when you first meet them you think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread....but then the real "them" comes out. I said something like that onace to my girlfriend and she said, "You turn men gay!". I'm still trying to figure out how on earth my ex-husband got his current girlfriend. I mean, DOESN'T SHE SEE! LOL.

Oh and I must note that I never said Badco was my sex symbol. My sex symbol remain as Bruce Willis in the Die Hard Trilogy. Badco has come home pretty dirty and even bloody, but I haven't found a guy yet that can top Bruce Willis..... $\':34:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2412, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34314, '77-1037661032', 1, 1, '66.58.183.25', 1066798938, 0, '...and to think that we didn't really beleive you when you said you had an 'old lady' back home...

Congratulations both!', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34312, '82-1031615441', 1, 1, '24.237.96.100', 1066985736, 0, 'Here's another one: Congratulations!

RWC', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34313, '83-1048580683', 1, 1, '24.237.127.4', 1066763358, 0, '

Quote (AK2AZ @ Oct. 21 2003,11:52)

LOL...just wanted to see him squirm! $\':34:\'$

Him squirm? Forget him.
I just signed my official divorce papers a couple weeks ago..... talk about squirming at the talk of marriage.
$\':31:\'$ $\':24:\'$

It's nice to see a couple getting married for the right reasons....I'm sure everything will work out for them.
$\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34311, '98-1031626171', 1, 1, '24.237.149.67', 1066798419, 0, 'Congrats guys! $\':32:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34310, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.117.231', 1066762376, 0, 'It is a couples wedding day. An hour before the ceremony, the bride to be says to the groom "Let's go into the back room for a bit." He follows.
A little while later the groom comes back to his room to finish getting ready, grinning ear to ear. "What are you smiling about?" asks the best man. "I just got the best BJ of my life!"
The bride walks back into her room and the maid of honor sees her smiling too.
"What are you so happy about?"
She replies "I just gave the last BJ of my life!"', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34309, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.117.231', 1066761882, 0, '

Quote (SnowMan @ Oct. 21 2003,10:43)

I AM STICKING WITH THE GOAT THEORY $\':43:\'$

The goat said no, I guess I was moving too fast...', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34305, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.125.170', 1067060719, 0, 'I didn't actually say it....Congratulations. Ah, marriage. I wish you 2 the best in all that you attempt. Love can make a difference in anyones life.', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34306, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.117.231', 1066761786, 0, 'Denise is pregnant!?!', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34307, '84-1060885898', 1, 1, '66.58.198.223', 1066802997, 0, 'hahaha, I was kinda wonderin when that was gonna happen, im sure Marcey is gonna wanna know all about it. Congrats you two.', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34308, '116-1032745643', 1, 1, '66.58.216.110', 1067061137, 0, '

Quote (BadCo @ Oct. 24 2003,22:45)

Love can make a difference in anyones life.

$\':43:\'$ shhhhhh, don't tell people that before you know it the whole board will be "in love"... hmmmm... or are most of them already?', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34302, '97-1031819818', 1, 1, '24.237.50.211', 1067026908, 0, 'congrates to the both of you.

may you have a long and great life together.

aktinbender $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34303, '66-1031634983', 1, 1, '24.237.117.231', 1066762145, 0, 'Why else would someone get married then?', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34304, '67-1033255981', 1, 1, '24.237.54.134', 1066801501, 0, 'Hey, congratulations guys...
Amy and I will miss seeing you around town, but I'm sure we'll be down to visit eventually. $\':1:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2402, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34179, '97-1053383396', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066760018, 0, 'AlaskaXJ Posted on Oct. 21 2003,08:13

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many rigs trying to achieve the fastest time.

That's the reason for having a target time. For example, a ten mile trail might have a target time of 2 1/2 hours. Which equals an average speed of 5 mph and allows for 1/2 hour worth of stucks. With enough ideas there should be a way to do this without cause a fiasco. What about Eureka? Lots of different paths that could be arranged.

Don't just be a nay sayer, try to come up with something positive. After all, don't they still run the Sutton atv rally every year?', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34178, '79-1065324258', 1, 1, '12.21.209.22', 1066694435, 0, '

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Glad to see there are alot of people into this. Now, what we would have to do. Is if there were alot, split them into groups. Were one group would be running Hatchers, and the other Church. Just so there is not alot of mass confusion. I think if everyone came together it would be a blast. Have a timer at the end of each trail. Right when you cross, you get timed on how long it took you. And then the same for the next trail. Then the times are added. And whoever has the fastest time out of the 2 trails wins. Easy as that. Cat go around Baldies pit, cant go around the big steep hill, cat go around the boggs in lower Hatchers, cant go around the river crossing. Would have to go on honesty there. Cant have a bunch of people watching each spot on the trail. The Great Alaskan Adventure

', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34177, '68-1036804735', 1, 1, '143.214.160.68', 1066756438, 0, 'Well Dan, do you have ideas as to where we could do it with low impact on established trails yet still be challanging to the group!!?!?!?! I'm with Cole on the no Knik, i've got to many bad expierences there plus Silt = BAD! $\':24:\'$ Sheep Creek would be fun, but it too would get tore up bad with a lot of rigs?? Ideas Dan?? With all the people we have on this board we should be able to come up with something! $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34176, '79-1065324258', 1, 1, '12.21.208.234', 1066712604, 0, 'Dan: Why would you need permits and all? It would be just like running the trails on the weekends. And we dont get permits every weekend. There is no money envolved, no prizes. Just a run.

Curtis: Any other place in Alaska.. OTHER THAN Knik $\':34:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34175, '79-1065324258', 1, 1, '12.21.209.22', 1066694242, 0, 'Well in the "New Jeep" thread there has been a lot of talk about a competition up here. Something that would throw challenges at you. Combining all the Alaska wheeling terrains. Mud, hills, river crossing, and just flat trail. This is what I have came up with. And it seems that a lot of people like the idea.

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I have already got a plan. Well I planed this awhile ago. You start at Church Rd trail (Baldie, B-29) And you go all the way over and connect to Willow side Fish hook Rd. There, you drive to the Upper Hatchers Pass trail head. And camp for the night.

The next day, you start there at Upper Hatchers, and race/drive to the river. There you hang a left, and have to take the lower hatcher out. Would be a 2 day event. Ending like Sunday night, or if you had a 3 day weekend ending, Monday. I think that would be a awesome event, set up for mud, hills, some rocks... It has everything between the 2 trails. How you would do it, is have someone with a timer on the other side of both trails. Like on the first day you would be timed for running Baldie, all the way over to Hatchers. Then the second day you would be timed for head over Hatchers, down through lower. Or maybe, have a check point at the cabin or something, so that there would bea river crossing also. Just something I have thought up over the years of running the trails

Of course there would be a serious thought process going into this. First you would have to line out some timers. People ready to set at the end of each trail of course timing. And would have to see if everyone wanted to really try to pull this off. So if you would like to try to pull this off, and have a comp this spring, friendly of course, no money, no prizes. Just for fun. And of course to find out Toyota vs. Jeep. Isnt that how this talk got started anyways? $\':34:\'$ Hehe. So post up if you are into something like this! And we can always change the trails!!!!!

Frank', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34174, '67-1061844617', 1, 1, '209.112.219.202', 1066718823, 0, 'That TOY will do nicely...good angle of approach...good angle of departure...lot of clearance...locked up w/boggers
sheeiiaaat whats not to like.', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34173, '79-1065324258', 1, 1, '12.21.208.234', 1066720384, 0, 'Tazz, you have a very good idea there. And we would only use one trail. So that would eliminate 2 trails. Maybe just Hatchers Pass area then. It is pretty wide open, and has some great views, and some good terrain. Keep the idea coming, nothing is set in gold....', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34171, '78-1064316080', 1, 1, '24.237.58.68', 1066779722, 0, 'teams of 2 w/ one built, one closer to stock like taz said would rock, but wouldn't the jeep side already be ahead of the curve? they'd obviously have more participants than the yoda guys. I should enter my POS and embarrass myself $\':34:\'$ ...or I could be a checkpoint timer $\':43:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34172, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1066839859, 0, '

Quote (Bronco85 @ Oct. 21 2003,16:04)

Here's an idea.

Kink - Speed/navigation
Ruby - technical?
Boulder - All-around/mud

Since they are all the same way.

Saturday - Kink
Sunday - Ruby
Monday - Boulder

Count Boulder out. That trail has seen some hard use over the past 3 summers and some ass set fire to the hillside just befor the creek.', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34170, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.40', 1066749182, 0, 'Frank - We (OHD community) are having a hard enough time with public image up here as it is. The last thing we need is another totally torn up trail. Any trail in Hatchers is going to be shredded with that many rigs trying to achieve the fastest time. Knik would be the closest low impact spot that we have to work with. Lower Purches should definately be out as it is nothing but a huge bog. There has allready been backlash from locals over that trail being chewed up. I'm all for some sort of competion, but it almost would have to be on private property to help preserve the sport up here. We're sitting on the very edge of proposed trail closures, escalated by heavier 4wheeler use, and I would like to see as many as possible on the side of keeping them open by maintaining them. Much better than raising a huge public awareness of how we chewed one all up. The moment you posted your ideas on here, lurkers for the greenies eyebrows went up. There would be no keeping it small and hush hush. Just some thoughts. Dan', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34169, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1066710685, 0, 'Sounds good but you need to think of how the trails will look after 20+ rides blaze on them. The top of Church would be a mess! The lower Perchase trail (if you say it is a trail) would be pointless! Church to the willow side would be some very slow going to boot. Do a small Challenge in Knik and play it like a hunt for prizes and the team to bring/gather the most of the hidden stuff and bring it to the finnish gets the reward. Knik would be a low impact place to play. Not saying your idea is not good, just looking out for us all. We could start another up north fuss! $\':38:\'$ Sheep Creek challenge? $\':24:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34168, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1066780015, 0, 'What about ford guys? Chad can be the modified guy and I'll be the stocker:) My truck is kinda stock..', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34167, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '12.21.201.58', 1066709959, 0, 'Allright. First of all the land you want to do this on is State Park. Got permits? Second - The trail at the top of Baldy does NOT go over the top and drop down into Hatchers Pass. It goes up and peters out. Cutting across country would be a no-no. The 500 ft drop off would prolly slow you down, or speed you up for that matter, too. Third - I can count on one hand the number of people that have ran the lower trail that connects Baldy to Hatchers Pass rd. in the last 2 years. 4 to be exact. It would have to be a team type run, as a solo competitor would be hard pressed to do it in a 24 hour day.
This trail is not friendly. I would consider either very wide flotation tires or 36's minimum. It's not clearly marked. Get all these things fixed and sure lets do it. I know the trail quite well. $\':24:\'$ Dan', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34166, '66-1064986549', 1, 1, '209.112.208.219', 1066716336, 0, 'I am totally into doing something like this. Not that I'd have a chance with you BIG dogs, but I think the 4x4 community as a whole would have a kick A#* time. $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34165, '79-1065324258', 1, 1, '12.21.211.34', 1066777115, 0, 'Ok, lets quit all this bickering, and start working together on finding the right place to do this. Knik would just be gay IMO. Just because it is all flat. There are the rivers in it and all. But that is it. Were else could something like this happen? Anyone have a couple 100 acres to loan $\':34:\'$ Seems like there is enuff people into this, to maybe make something happen next summer....', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34163, '110-1031620020', 1, 1, '24.237.127.147', 1066709599, 0, 'Sounds like fun. I'd never want to try Church Rd. if there's a remote chance of rain though! That place is a nightmare! Swampers may as well be A/Ts', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34164, '97-1053383396', 1, 1, '209.193.52.89', 1066719802, 0, 'A timed event could create some serious safety concerns. How bout a twist instead. Here's the twist. Have 2 groups of 2 vehicles (one built, one not so built in each group) drive the trails a week or 2 in advance and time themselves. Then average the 2 sets of time for an average (a target time), then keep the target time secret . This would have to be done by people willing to miss out on the big "challenge".

Then for the challenge people break into groups of at least 2 vehicles (since we never wheel alone) and the group coming the closest without being more than an hour (or whatever time is agreed upon) faster than the target time wins.

It would be sort of a off road rally type event. I've participated in this type of event and it can be fun.

Just another idea.', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34162, '66-1050557866', 1, 1, '66.58.220.74', 1066709072, 0, 'thats a bad ass idea, there should be prizes at least, maybe some cheap little trophys, all the losers pitch in at the end for the top three guys.

oh yeah im in also', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34160, '79-1051438244', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066701533, 0, 'Count me in! $\':16:\'$ $\':16:\'$ $\':16:\'$ ', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34161, '97-1053383396', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066763846, 0, '

Quote (AlaskaXJ @ Oct. 21 2003,12:01)

We need people to scout out possible locations, start asking the right people the right questions, and get it moving. Not doing it right the first time will do nothing but eliminate the second time. Dan

In my round about way that's what I was trying to get people to do. I'm willing to help in any way needed.

Sorry I misread your orig post as one of those people who only have negative things to say about anything.\n\n

', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34158, '65-1040931580', 1, 1, '12.21.209.116', 1066709562, 0, 'When would this be happening? I might have to bring a ringer up here!!! hehehehe

Seriously when would this be next spring or what.', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34159, '66-1031614806', 1, 1, '24.237.7.144', 1066777442, 0, 'Here's an idea.

Kink - Speed/navigation
Ruby - technical?
Boulder - All-around/mud

Since they are all the same way.

Saturday - Kink
Sunday - Ruby
Monday - Boulder', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34156, '56-1031637436', 1, 1, '209.193.43.108', 1066718463, 0, 'lets do a sheep creek challenge that sound like a good deal i am in for that one. i am in for most any of them i have to get my toy out to see how it does with the jeeps.', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34157, '65-1031624736', 1, 1, '146.63.102.40', 1066762914, 0, 'The proposed trail in Franks (not Coles) original thread will take 4 well prepped, equipped rigs about 12/14 hours to complete. With no carnage involved. The very idea of runnning unprepared rigs on it is just pure foolishness. The W's have never even run it. It will not support the traffic of running it with lots of rigs on two seperate weekends.

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Don't just be a nay sayer, try to come up with something positive.

Not a nay-sayer. I love to compete. Ask anyone that knows me. We just have to do this right. This topic has been discussed many many times in the circles I frequent. We have just been unable to come up with anything that does not require, insurance, permission ie. permits, or private property.

Comparing an ATV rally to a OHV rally is apples to oranges. Much more damage can be inflicted by a OHV. Does anyone remember Permenete durring the M&G? Thats what we need to avoid. I have been looking into a local rock crawling event, but it will prolly not see the light of day until next summer. It's on private property. Not quite the scale of a long race, but more of a skills event.

We need people to scout out possible locations, start asking the right people the right questions, and get it moving. Not doing it right the first time will do nothing but eliminate the second time. Dan', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34155, '101-1064183325', 1, 1, '131.37.206.6', 1066701344, 0, 'i'm in', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (34154, '79-1033840762', 1, 1, '24.237.54.106', 1066753070, 0, '

Quote (AlaskaXJ @ Oct. 21 2003,08:13)

Frank - We (OHD community) are having a hard enough time with public image up here as it is. The last thing we need is another totally torn up trail. Any trail in Hatchers is going to be shredded with that many rigs trying to achieve the fastest time. Knik would be the closest low impact spot that we have to work with. Lower Purches should definately be out as it is nothing but a huge bog. There has allready been backlash from locals over that trail being chewed up. I'm all for some sort of competion, but it almost would have to be on private property to help preserve the sport up here. We're sitting on the very edge of proposed trail closures, escalated by heavier 4wheeler use, and I would like to see as many as possible on the side of keeping them open by maintaining them. Much better than raising a huge public awareness of how we chewed one all up. The moment you posted your ideas on here, lurkers for the greenies eyebrows went up. There would be no keeping it small and hush hush. Just some thoughts. Dan

Thank you Dan, Well said. $\':32:\'$ But what do I know?', 1, 0, 2393, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35532, '65-1034207668', 1, 1, '24.237.160.124', 1060365116, 0, 'UFO doesn't mean alien. it means that the object is unidentified. i heard one story on that stupid art bell show where this caller was going on and on about a black helicopter or something without any lights hovering over his cornfield in the middle of the night.
black, with no lights, at night? you wouldn't see it. the guy made his own case for being retarded.', 1, 0, 2478, 1, NULL, NULL, NULL), (35531, '77-1039210209', 1, 1, '24.237.84.142', 1060420054, 0, 'I'm from UK, moved here in 98.
YES, I believe in ET life.
Avid watcher of the X-Files, anything UFO / Supernatural related. Doesn't make me an expert, but, as Mulder would say "I do believe"
As I said I'm from the UK, this, I don't think is UFO related, but really, who knows.
In the South of England (UK) about 20 years ago, near a village in Devon (On the very South West tip of mainland UK) A guy was hitch hiking.....Normally bad night for fall / Autumn. Heavy rain, anyway, he hitched a ride with a trucker who stopped. Jumped up into the cab, chatted as they drove, and the trucker dropped him off on the outskirts of this village. The guy wandered into the village (Like American Werewolf in London) and sat down in a cafe/diner. As this village was basically in the middle of no-where the bartender asked " did you walk here?" To which he replied, no, got a ride in a truck....A silver truck the bartender asked, yep he replied.....Did the guy have a beard and glasses she asked, Yep the guy said.
Now apparently, 10 or so years earlier, a well known and liked trucker died on that stretch of road...And the locals had heard of sightings etc....
This isn't UFO related, but, it gives me the heebie geebies...
In the UK there is, as we call it FolkLore, don't walk